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Bombshell report on Trump taxes sends GOP nominee reeling

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  1. CometsWin

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    Bombshell report on Trump taxes sends GOP nominee reeling
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/donald-trump-tax-records-new-york-times-229012

    It puts an exclamation point on what was already one of the worst weeks for any presidential candidate in recent memory.

    It took less than a day for October to produce an "October surprise."

    Donald Trump reported a nearly $1 billion loss on his 1995 tax returns and could therefore have avoided paying federal income taxes for almost two decades, the New York Times reported on Saturday, putting another unexpected exclamation point on what had already been one of the worst weeks for any presidential nominee in recent memory.

    The Times, which hired tax experts to analyze the records, determined that “tax rules that are especially advantageous to wealthy filers would have allowed Mr. Trump to use his $916 million loss to cancel out an equivalent amount of taxable income over an 18-year period” -- more than $50 million a year.

    Times reporter Susanne Craig received the documents, which the paper describes as “three pages from what appeared to be Mr. Trump’s 1995 tax returns,” in the mail from an unknown source. The documents were sent last month and postmarked New York City, with a return address of Trump Tower -- the real estate mogul’s headquarters.

    A statement from Trump’s campaign neither confirmed nor denied that he filed a $916 million loss in his 1995 tax returns, but charged that the documents were “illegally obtained” in what it said was “a further demonstration that the New York Times, like establishment media in general, is an extension of the Clinton Campaign, the Democratic Party and their global special interests.”

    “Mr. Trump is a highly-skilled businessman who has a fiduciary responsibility to his business, his family and his employees to pay no more tax than legally required,” the statement, which was not attributed to Trump or any staffer by name, continued. “That being said, Mr. Trump has paid hundreds of millions of dollars in property taxes, sales and excise taxes, real estate taxes, city taxes, state taxes, employee taxes and federal taxes. Mr. Trump knows the tax code far better than anyone who has ever run for President and he is the only one that knows how to fix it.”

    Trump’s refusal to release any tax returns, something every presidential nominee since Richard Nixon in 1972 has done, has been one of the larger clouds hanging over his campaign and one his Democratic opponent has sought to exploit.

    It now appears as though the GOP nominee’s failure to come clean has backfired, with the Times drawing one of the same conclusions that Hillary Clinton offered as a possible explanation for Trump’s secrecy in last Monday’s debate — that he has paid little or no federal income tax for some time.

    The story, which posted Saturday night just as Trump had taken the stage for a rally in Manheim, Pa., seemed to send the candidate, already reeling from a week that started with a bad debate and continued with a stream of recriminations over his treatment of a former Miss Universe in a 3 a.m. tweetstorm, spiraling at even greater velocity into a political abyss.

    After taking the stage 102 minutes after the rally’s scheduled 7 p.m. start time, Trump veered off-script several times, impersonating Clinton’s near fall last month as she was suffering from pneumonia and asserting — after taking credit all week for his restraint in not bringing up Bill Clinton’s sexual improprieties at the debate — that she probably isn’t faithful to her husband anymore because, he said, “Why should she be?”

    Trump’s allies, meanwhile, tried to shrug the story off by minimizing the importance of a partial tax return from a single year and characterizing it as just the latest attempt by a liberal media to hurt their candidate.

    “The campaign sees this as another contrived story,” said a Republican operative who works with the Trump campaign. “More media carrying the Clintons' water. If people don't like him doing that then they should change the tax laws."

    While Trump is unlikely to lose many of his most ardent supporters, polls showed last Monday’s debate cost him dearly. GOP strategists, who had been buoyed by a narrowing of the race in September, have grown increasingly forlorn in the days following the debate, as Trump’s subsequent behavior seemed to underscore Clinton’s charge that he lacks the temperament to be commander in chief. They fear Saturday night’s surprise bombshell might lead voters to question another pillar of his candidacy — his claim to be a successful businessman and an anti-politician who, unlike the insiders he maligns in Washington, tells the truth.

    “The confusion over the deductibility of losses over time is more than the average voter cares about. But the continuing debate over his taxes keeps him hoisted up on the petard of transparency,” said Bruce Haynes, a GOP strategist in Washington. “It is not fatal. But the Trump campaign has to find a way to drive a narrative of some substance against Clinton or his long term prospects are grim.”

    Even that is unlikely, according to former Democratic National Committee official Mo Elleithee, who said the tax story was a “devastating body blow” that would “haunt him for the next five weeks.”

    “The fundamental argument of his campaign,” Elleithee said, “is the little guy is getting screwed and I’m the guy who’s going to look after you. It is hard to make that argument when there is evidence now in front of everybody about how he has benefited personally, how he has gamed the system.”

    Democrats have seized on the Times story, with the DNC blasting it out to its email list and officials from coast to coast tripping over themselves to provide comment.

    Rick Palacio, the Democratic Party chairman of Colorado, where Clinton’s lead had shrunk in recent weeks, called the story “mind-boggling."

    “I don’t think that in itself it’s going to make a huge difference, but compound it with really the terrible week he’s had with Machado and the debate last week, all this is weighing him down to the point where he has nothing left to do but explain his past to the American people,” Palacio said.

    For now, Trump is threatening what would likely be a protracted legal battle with the world’s most influential newspaper. A lawyer for Trump sent a letter to the Times describing the publication of the documents as illegal and threatening “prompt initiation of appropriate legal action,” according to the paper.

    But the Times appears ready to do battle: CNN reported on Sept. 12 that Dean Baquet, the paper’s executive editor, told a Harvard University forum that he would risk prison, if necessary, to publish Trump’s tax returns.

    Asked why by documentary filmmaker Laura Poitras, Baquet said the unauthorized publication of Trump’s tax records is in the public interest because he is "a presidential candidate whose whole campaign is built on his success as a businessman, and his wealth.”

    Clinton’s Twitter account — managed by her staff — immediately retweeted the story twice, and many of her aides weighed in on Twitter within minutes.

    "BOMBSHELL: Trump's returns show just how lousy a businessman he is AND how long he may have avoided paying any taxes," wrote press secretary Brian Fallon.

    Campaign Manager Robby Mook said in a statement that the story “reveals the colossal nature of Donald Trump's past business failures and just how long he may have avoided paying any federal income taxes whatsoever.”

    Mook added: “He apparently got to avoid paying taxes for nearly two decades -- while tens of millions of working families paid theirs. He calls that 'smart.' Now that the gig is up, why doesn't he go ahead and release his returns to show us all how 'smart' he really is?"

    POLITICO reported in June that in 1991 and 1993, Trump appeared to have paid “zero, or near-zero” in personal income taxes, citing records from New Jersey’s gambling authorities.
     
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  2. Harrisment

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    Not surprising at all, unfortunately.
     
  3. Dei

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    Legal tax avoidance is smart. It's stupid people who want to pay as much tax as possible.

    What really should happen is that the term for tax avoidance be changed becaise most ignorant people mistake it for tax evasion, an actual crime. We should start calling it tax minimization.
     
  4. Amiga

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    I am not sure how losing nearly 1 billion dollar qualify as business smart, unless he didn't really lose that much...
     
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    Watching right wingers attempts to defend/support Trump...
     
  6. mtbrays

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    The mental gymnastics required to defend this sunburnt buffoon...

    How many of Trump's supporters are pissed at illegal immigrants not paying taxes will turn a blind eye to this?
     
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    No mental gymnastics here. Tax avoidance is something anyone with a considerable amount of wealth is concerned with. It's even taught in uni. You're just ignorant about it. It's not at all the same to illegals not paying taxes.
     
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    Trump really avoided those taxes by losing a billion. That's business savvy for you.
     
  11. DonnyMost

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    This isn't a bombshell. It's business as usual in America.

    Trump won't change it, and Hillary can't change it unless there's massive upheaval in Congress.
     
  12. Phreak3

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    It's not even the taxes that are the problem... really. It's the tweets that follow them.
     
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    This story is just beginning. How did he lose a billion? who's money was it? who holds the debt? Was it forgiven, if so you lose the tax break.
     
  14. JayGoogle

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    Is losing nearly a billion dollars smart?
     
  15. T_Man

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    Tell that to
    Red Foxx
    Wesley Snipes
    Nicholas Cage
    Pamela Anderson
    Chris Tucker
    Stephen Baldwin

    Trump is a CON ARTIST....

    T_Man
     
  16. Amiga

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    Right. I was thinking he could said, I almost collapsed losing nearly 1 billion, but I'm a comeback genius and worked hard to be where I'm at today (then go on about how he will have a comeback against Clinton cause he never lose). Instead, he claim to be smart and know everything about taxes (which he doesn't) implying he took full advantages of loop holes (which he mostly surely did) to avoid taxes. And no, taking full advantage of tax loopholes legally doesn't mean it's right. It show the problem with our tax system that favor the wealthy and someone that take full advantages of that stand on no ground to then said I'm fighting for the small guys.

    This return was 20 years ago. I still want to see the last few years at least.
     
  17. Rashmon

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    Boom...

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    He's toast.
     
  18. dmoneybangbang

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    No what bothers me most about Trump and his supporters, is that they talk about how legally avoiding taxes is smart and how the debt is an issue. They don't seem smart enough to connect the dots.
     
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  19. Rashmon

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    When you guys are voting for Trump, I want this mantra to be embedded in your brain:

    "I paid more income tax than Trump. He's a genius."
    "I paid more income tax than Trump. He's a genius."
    "I paid more income tax than Trump. He's a genius."
    "I paid more income tax than Trump. He's a genius."
     
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    He has convinced them he's one of them. I never really understand falling for that type of nonsense when most of his supporters have little chance of taking advantage of the tax breaks the ultra wealthy enjoy.
     

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