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Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by Rockets1616, Aug 17, 2011.

  1. gucci888

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    A replacement that is available to interview throughout the season isnt one worth taking. Herman or any HC currently employed isn't taking an interview until the regular season is over at the earliest.
     
  2. Newlin

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    seems to be a lot of scoring.
    I have heard so much about how Mack drove the program into the ground and left very little for Strong to work with. So, does it seem fair to give Charlie the boot after only twenty nine games as head coach? Doesn't he need time to get all his recruits on the field. Isn't Charlie still having to use some of Macks players? Doesn't Charlie deserve the opportunity to build the program from the ground up after the mess that Mack left him.
     
  3. Hustle Town

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    His players are on the field; he's not using Mack's players. He's turned the program around in the sense that our players aren't all in jail anymore, but he doesn't have a clue how to coach a football team from a strategic or fundamental perspective. He doesn't know how to manage a group of coordinators.
     
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  4. Brando2101

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    I have no idea what you are trying to say. His players LOVE him. He's an inspiration to the team and can be to fans as well. The problem is not players not "following" him. It's a poorly designed and called defense. It was the same story with the offense which now seems to be fixed. I was never big on the Charlie hire or his 1st year here. He blamed Mack for what is obvious issues with his coaches. However, I've been really impressed at how good a leader he is for the team. The fact that they have picked him up and crowd surfed him at least twice speaks a lot to that. Recruits talk about he comes in and wows them and hooks them. No great leader can overcome a bad cordinator. Their job is to hold those coaches responsible and make the hard decisions.


    Mack fired his friend and cologue of 20 years in Greg Davis. That could not have been easy but Mack understood this was Texas and no one gets a free ride. Charlie needs to decide where his loyalties lie. If he wants to stand by his man than he and Bedford can carpool to the unemployment office together.
     
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  5. gucci888

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    No excuses. None.
     
  6. oakdogg

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    That is how you define leadership - people wanting to follow him. It doesn't matter if a leader has the loyalty of their followers, if they don't know where the hell to take them. Strong doesn't. His choice of offense was a failure - had to go a completely different direction than he originally picked - wasted 2 years. Now, it's the same dang thing with the defense and special teams. You completely overlook the importance of decision making to leadership. It's not just ra ra speeches.
     
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  7. Duncan McDonuts

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    So fire Bedford and the special teams coach? Charlie skates by again?
     
  8. Hustle Town

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    Yes.. and he has. He's had two pretty good recruiting classes. What else does he need? All I keep seeing is excuses made for him since he's gotten here. From day 1 he "cleaned house" by putting a set of rules aside and got rid of a lot of good players that Mack's group had recruited. That was fine. Then he got a solid recruiting class the following year. Still only won 5 games in this pathetic shell of a conference. Then now this past recruiting season he got a really talented core on defense. You can say the team is young, but if you actually watch these games, they aren't making mistakes that freshman would make. They are making mistakes that middle and high school teams make. They are poorly coached and there hasn't been any improvement it seems from last season on the defensive side of the ball -- a side of the ball that Strong is supposed to be known to be good at. I give Strong credit for going out and getting Gilbert because that has changed the offense entirely. It also helps that we were able to get Buechele who is pretty talented. If you give Strong another year with another DC, things could change sure. I'd rather just clean house entirely than waste another year hoping things are going to change. We have been irrelevant for the last 6 years and counting. Recruiting is clearly not an issue so the only thing that can be blamed is the coaching. The Big 12 is a joke of a conference this year. If he is not able to win more than 6 games (and that's being soft too because 6 is pathetic), that is really, really bad.
     
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  10. Bob Barker 007

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    If you had to pick 3 coaches you would want at Texas, who would you pick?
    My picks:
    1. Tom Herman
    2. Chris Peterson
    3. Kyle Whittingham
     
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  11. Major

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    I wanted Peterson several years back, but I don't think he's attainable now. He's shown a lot of loyalty in his career and has a good thing going in Washington. Plus, he's familiar with the NW when it comes to recruiting, etc. I'm not sure he'd leave right now.

    I'd guess a Bedford firing is likely soon, but I don't think Charlie Strong gets replaced during the season. In part because I don't think it's how Texas operates, and in part because I'm not sure there's a good person on staff to replace him for the rest of the season. Normally you take the OC or DC - DC would be gone, and the OC is really inexperienced, and you kind of need him focused on the offense.
     
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  12. gucci888

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    1. Tom Herman
    2. Gary Patterson
    3. Chip Kelly
     
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  13. Newlin

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    Strong had success at Louisville, and looked like a good coach. He went 7-6, 7-6, 11-2, and 12-1. He improved dramatically in year 3 and 4.
     
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    When a coach at a lesser program rides to success on the back of one player (in this case Teddy Bridgewater), that makes them very suspect to me. That's where I stood on Charlie Strong when UT hired him. He had been a HC for only 4 years and the last two Teddy pulled his wagon.
     
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    1. Mike Sherman - roll your eyes if you want, but he totally turned around A&M. They were so bad before him, and Sherman totally set up Sumlin
    2. Tom Herman
    3. Petrino
     
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    If this is just about having a winning program,

    1. Herman
    2. Briles
    3. Petrino
     
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  17. oakdogg

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    I usually say coaches should get 3 years but
    1) You can already project this year will be below expectations 4 games in
    2) Trends are so bad. We had a good defense with Mack's players Strong's first year. Defense is Strong's specialty. Into his third year, the defense is way worse. In fact, the only improvement has come from offense, which he knows little about
    3) Some of his losses have been so bad, talent cannot explain it. Last year Iowa State, TCU
     
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  18. Ziggy

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    Lulz. YES, please get Sherman.
     
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    1. Tom Herman

    END OF LIST
     
  20. oakdogg

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    Maybe you know something I don't. I remember him as the bridge between the 77-0 years and beating Alabama. Seems like a pretty good turnaround. In fact, Sumlin hasn't done much since he has had to stand on his own
     

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