Black lives matter vs. All lives matter (an experiment)

So, the equivalent would be picking out 4-5 examples of white people hitting black people at Trump rallies and calling all Trump supporters racist, correct?

 

Really? So a hispanic teen assaulted a black man carrying a gun legally and it led to the black man catching a 20 year sentence? Interesting, do you have a link?

 

So, the equivalent would be picking out 4-5 examples of white people hitting black people at Trump rallies and calling all Trump supporters racist, correct?

Do you feel that black people in America are not discriminated against by white people?

 

It would certainly be indicative of the kinds of people that would attend a Trump rally IMO.

 

Perhaps on some level and in some instances though not nearly as much as some believe. It's also not something that everyone doesn't experience from time to time, but when some people experience it, they think it means more or is a much bigger deal. One of the most brutal racist attacks in recent years was carried out by BLM rioters in Charlotte just a while back.....



The guy was attacked solely due to the color of his skin and actually several similar incidents happened during those BLM riots.....but that's not as big of a story as a legally justifiable police shooting of a black man, apparently that's what true discrimination and racism looks like because as we all know, only black lives matter.

 

That's what happened? Must peruse archives.

 

I'm not sure what happened in that case you brought up, that's why I asked. You said "similar actions except black man is serving 20 to life" so I took that to mean that it was a similar case with reversed roles where the teen who attacked the man with the gun would be Hispanic and the guy with the gun that defended himself was black. If that's what happened and he got 20 years then I think that's awful.

 

Nah, I was thinking of an over zealous black neighborhood watchman stalking and attacking a guy who could pass white, yet actually had business being in the neighborhood despite the watchman's own prejudices.

Since it's a matter of "he said, he dead", your mileage may vary.

 

I don't think Bobby gets it or ever will get it. If we're going to use BigTexxx' small sample size as an illustration, well then I'll use my own. Let's see, there was a black man named Ralph who was a delivery driver at Mr. Gattis for 2 years- I was his manager. There were ~20 students of mine who were black when I was a teacher at Dulles High School in Sugar Land from 1997 to 1999. And among the 100+ clients of mine who I knew were black, I was able to talk to 3 of them about race b/c the question of employment discrimination came up.

So, roughly 24-25 people who were black with whom I've had discussions about race. And they ranged from kids to adults working for minimum wage to someone making over $300,000 a year as an executive with a consumer goods company.

And all I've talked to said that they have experienced racism several times in their lives. Some were bitter about it, some were matter-of-fact about it. But all agreed that it existed, in several forms. Being followed around in a store. A gas station attendant putting change directly in a white customer's hand but putting it on the counter for the black person. Job discrimination, for which a client took legal action. And, of course, being stopped by the police to be "checked."

That's only a very minor sample- but if we are to accept BigTexxx's sample size, then we have to accept mine. You may not think it exists, or think that black people make it up, but although probably some do, many don't. Even people who are highly successful and have nothing to gain- President Obama, Magic Johnson, Oprah Winfrey, etc. have alluded to experiencing this. If it has happened to them, why don't you think it doesn't exist?

It does. It's a fact b/c it's been acknowledged by too many black people from all different types of backgrounds for it to be made up. It would have to be one of the biggest conspiracy theories in history to say that millions of black people are lying when they say they have experienced forms of discrimination.

Not everything has to be about race. But when there are incidents in which race is playing a factor, particularly as it involves death, it has to be part of the conversation. Have there been incidents blamed on racism that were more about a black person posing a threat to law enforcement? Sure. But there are too many that aren't, and when it leads to death, a bell that you can't unring, that is unacceptable.

 

Oh, well then it would have nothing in common with the case in Florida.

 

This is how racists think:

If a black man is wrongly convicted or treated badly - it's black culture's fault for creating that impression and he should have had a better job so he wouldn't have been in the situation to begin with.

If a white person is harmed by a black person - it means everyone associated with BLM must be anti-white and condemn the entire thing not just the people who committed the act - whether or not they are affiliated with BLM.

 

Yep, these videos are popular on youtube. You can find plenty that support that white people are racist, in fact even from this same guy. Anyone can make any video like this, it's not very hard to do.

1. Find some subject you want to support. In my example I'll say that Republicans are more racist than Democrats.
2. Go to a democratic convention, interview people but only show the ones that are clearly not racist people.
3. Go to a republican convention and only show people that clearly are.

I've now done what this video did.

What many do not consider that some of these 'social experiments' are faked as well. But ah well, this is confirmation bias for some, they see it and instantly go 'Ah ha!'

 

I think the sign actually said "Black Lives Matters".

 

Yes, and in practice that's exactly what it means.....that's why you get riots over completely justifiable use of force by police if it happens to involve a black man.

 

Here's what I'd like to see. In open-carry Texas. A white man standing in front of a, say, Walgreens store for 15 minutes. Talking on his cell phone. With a rifle strapped across his back.

Then, same store, same scenario- only this time, it's a black man.

We know exactly what would happen.

 

Blue lives Matter is inclusive too?

Rocket River

 

Well, to use your logic, sure, there are incidents like this, but there are many more in which the use of force is unjustified and black people have a point. We're just not used to having them be demonstrative about it, and we white people don't like it. Not the violence and looting- most of that is not by people who are legitimately protesting, but by criminals taking advantage of the situation. We don't like the protesting, either. Many don't, I should say.

I'm 100% secure with who I am, and that is why I understand the protest movements- whether by black people against police brutality, or Native Americans against the pipeline, etc. I don't take offense to it and see it as "oh, my Caucasian race is a piece of ****." I realize the advantages Caucasians have had over the past 200+ years in the US, I understand the reverse as it has affected minority groups, and whether we like it or not, it won't go away and we have to deal with it. And putting Trump in office wouldn't do a thing to change that. People's movements always trump the politician fashion of the day, and so as we dealt with women's suffrage, and the Civil Rights movement, and Occupy Wall Street, etc., and the movement towards legalizing gay marriage, etc. we will deal with others, as well.

Don't forget, up until 1991, people with disabilities were discriminated against. Go look up the Capitol Crawl. As part of humanity, it is our obligation to take these things into consideration, and instead of just immediately dismissing a specific group's beef as illegitimate, or whatever, do the most important thing..... listen.

 

That's not what the numbers say....perhaps you are ingesting a bit too much propaganda if you really think that.

 

There it is. I knew your next race baiting thread wouldn't be long.

White people with all lives matter signs are more expressing their own white fragility rather than some idea that the lives of minorities matter as much as their own. All lives matter is a conveniently stupid response to protests of very serious problems. If all lives matter then prove it with your support of remedies to these problems rather than pretending they don't exist. Carrying around an all lives atter sign is simply your admission that you're ignorant or a racist or both.

 

I would argue that those who push that are also arguing for "blue lives" over others.....which is why a lot of people get butt hurt when they see those signs.

Of course, my position has always been the same when it comes to the "lives matter" BS, the truth is that "No Lives Matter", the sooner we accept that fact, the better off we'll all be.