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Official First Debate Thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rimrocker, Sep 25, 2016.

  1. Nick_713

    Nick_713 Member

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    Olivia Benson as Moderator?

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  2. leroy

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    Wrong
    *sniff*
    Nope
    *sniff*
    Nuh uh
    *sniff*

    That's the gist of Trump's night.
     
  3. leroy

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    Wrong
    *sniff*
    Nope
    *sniff*
    Nuh uh
    *sniff*

    That's the gist of Trump's night.
     
  4. RedRedemption

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    His entire platform is backtracking.

    MAINSTREAM MEDIA LIES. I NEVER SAID THAT.
    Rinse and repeat.
     
  5. dandorotik

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    Exactly - b/c Trump can afford an audit. He said that he's been audited numerous times. I haven't been audited once in 17 years. I am not anywhere near Trump's ballpark in terms of earnings, a flyspeck compared to him. But the IRS nearly always audits someone who claims what they consider an unusually high amount of deductions, even if they are legit. That's their #1 criteria, I believe. And if I were to guess, he probably claims over 75% or more every year, so he triggers an audit every year, and if he does claims items that aren't legit, it won't be tax evasion, he'll just say his finance people screwed up, he'll pay the fine, and that's that. But I guarantee you his returns show he pays very little.

    That's my guess based on the very little I know. But it made sense after I heard him say he gets audited every year. He probably doesn't donate a lot to charities, and this is also part of the narrative that he's stiffed people.

    Donald Trump is probably very cheap. Doesn't mean that disqualifies him from being President (actually, being cheap could be a good trait), but the American people just won't accept someone paying little to zero in taxes. Romney got flack for the low amount he paid.
     
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    Reality was that the sanctions were going to be lifted deal or no deal. Russia and China were ready to lift them, so considering that fact - 10 years is a good amount of time - Iran effectively had its nuclear program taken away and it will have to start from scratch now.

    People act like we have 100% control over the sanctions and whether to lift them or not.
     
  7. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Some are saying Trump was clearly on Cocaine. People are saying that.
     
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    Honestly, I believe that Hilary's biggest accomplishment and Trump's biggest loss in the debate was the Black racism issue. Trump knows if the black voters turn out against him, he's toast and Hilary really took it to him: trump made more black voter turnout tonight.
     
  9. bigtexxx

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    Trump won the first 10 minutes - the critical minutes where people form their opinions. And the topic of discussion: trade, which plays well in the rust belt, which could decide this election.
     
  10. ipaman

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    all of you keeping score and declaring winners and loser got it all wrong. yes there was a clear loser tonight but it wasn't either of the terrible candidates. it was the american people.
     
  11. dandorotik

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    BigTexxx, if you look at the history of debates and where specific candidates "lost," they were very rarely in the first 10 minutes. Gore' sighing, Bentsen's "You're no Jack Kennedy" comment, Nixon's sweating, Reagan's well-timed barbs and jokes, Dukakis' cold response to the rape question, Bush looking at his watch - I don't believe any of them happened in the first 10 minutes. Conversely, this means that the other candidate didn't "win" in the first 10 minutes, either.

    I know you want to believe Trump won the debate based on this, but I'm not sure if most are going to agree with you.
     
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    That's not what you called it when Howard Dean yelled to a cheering audience.
     
  14. DonnyMost

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    Even Trump fluffers are basically admitting he only looked good for a total of like 15 minutes out of 90.

    Yikes.
     
  15. bigtexxx

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    1) Anecdotal evidence is a very weak way to defend your point
    2) there weren't any of those moments in this debate.

    you're pwn3d (again)
     
  16. Space Ghost

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    Trump was Trump. Hillary was Hillary.

    I would not say Hillary won as much as I would say Trump refused to stay focused and was not even bothering trying to win. Trump knows 'winning' a debate means nothing if the polls continue to swing his direction. Its all about reminding the people that Hillary is worse than him.

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  17. DonnyMost

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    Says the guy who posted no evidence in defense of his points.
     
  18. RedRedemption

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    Voting third party?
     
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    he didn't own any part of this debate.

    he made about 2 or 3 points that made hillary uncomfortable...

    hillary knows the issues, Donald doesn't- he doesn't have that depth of knowledge to debate these issues. simple as that.
     
  20. TheRealist137

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    weak, anecdotal evidence is better than the support that you gave, which was nothing.
     

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