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Recent Tyler Ennis breakdown by Buck's Fansite

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DarkHorse, Sep 22, 2016.

  1. basketballholic

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    Interesting question. Not enough data to confirm my thoughts here. But just going off the eye test and watching them in college, Jones has better shooting range and in my opinion is a better catch and shoot guy in addition to pulling up from deep.

    Ennis has a more conservative approach offensively, meaning he doesn't take as many risks as what I've seen from Jones. Therefore his turnovers are lower.

    The short answer (and I do mean short) to your question is Jones.

    And I like Jones. He's smart, a good leader, and has the it factor in my opinion. But his Achilles is his size and build and how it really hurts him on the defensive end.

    You didn't ask about how they fit in an MDA defense. But basketball is a game played at both ends. And defense is a huge part of a teams ability to win. It has to be considered when you evaluate players.

    Defensively, Ennis is way better. And I think it's important to note that. He may have shown to be a bad defender in a few brief moments he's played but Ennis is actually a player with a lot of defensive potential. Jones, unfortunately, is extremely physically limited defensively. And that's not going to change on the NBA level.

    By the way, the jet fuel if an MDA offense is defensive turnovers. Turning the opponent often with high pressure, gambling defense and getting the game ramped up to a helter skelter track meet is much more important to the success of an MDA offense than 2 or 3 extra percentage points on the 3-ball.

    For these reasons Ennis is a very good, low cost bet. We added major shooting this summer in Anderson and Gordon. We also added their high turnover counts and questionable defense right into the front of the rotation of a team with defensive and turnover issues. In this light Ennis makes sense. He's a low turnover creator who has very good defensive potential. A better fit for the team overall than Jones.
     
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    Interesting question. Not enough data to confirm my thoughts here. But just going off the eye test and watching them in college, Jones has better shooting range and in my opinion is a better catch and shoot guy in addition to pulling up from deep.

    Ennis has a more conservative approach offensively, meaning he doesn't take as many risks as what I've seen from Jones. Therefore his turnovers are lower.

    The short answer (and I do mean short) to your question is Jones.

    And I like Jones. He's smart, a good leader, and has the it factor in my opinion. But his Achilles is his size and build and how it really hurts him on the defensive end.

    You didn't ask about how they fit in an MDA defense. But basketball is a game played at both ends. And defense is a huge part of a teams ability to win. It has to be considered when you evaluate players.

    Defensively, Ennis is way better. And I think it's important to note that. He may have shown to be a bad defender in a few brief moments he's played but Ennis is actually a player with a lot of defensive potential. Jones, unfortunately, is extremely physically limited defensively. And that's not going to change on the NBA level.

    By the way, the jet fuel of an MDA offense is defensive turnovers. Turning the opponent over often with high pressure, gambling defense and getting the game ramped up to a helter skelter track meet is much more important to the success of an MDA offense than 2 or 3 extra percentage points on the 3-ball.

    For these reasons Ennis is a very good, low cost bet. We added major shooting this summer in Anderson and Gordon. We also added their high turnover counts and questionable defense right into the front of the rotation of a team with defensive and turnover issues. In this light Ennis makes sense. He's a low turnover creator who has very good defensive potential. A better fit for the team overall than Jones.
     
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    ennis definitely looks bigger than jones on the court. but their listed heights/weights are almost identical -- ennis 6'2" 194lbs and jones 6'2" 195lbs. go figure :D

    so when i posed this question, i was actually specifically considering MDA's quick "7second" offense. as i immediately posted in the initial trade thread, i like ennis' game a lot and think he was a very good acquisition talent-wise. but he does seem to have more of an old school deliberate approach of bringing the ball up and initiating plays, not unlike harden. while tyus' motor is is at high rpm nonstop constantly pushing upcourt and looking for the first opening or mismatch. so in this respect i would prefer tyus for the fit offensively. shooting-wise, i'm actually comfortable with ennis on spot ups. methinks his form and nerves will translate to much improvement there.

    and hope you're right about ennis' fit defensively. i didn't watch him much his college year, but so far in the pro's he's been lackluster on this side of the ball.
     
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    Interesting video getting to know Rockets new PG.
    Does everyone in Canada know each other!? Is Degrassi a real highschool?
     
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    the old Degrassi shows were brilliant
     
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    Can't wait to see him hit the floor during Preseason. I actually think he will help the bench keep rhythm. I will wait to pass judgement until them.

    As for Beas...he was the 2nd best scoring option on this team end of last season. If you disagree, then who do you place above him other than Harden? Now that we have Gordon and Anderson plus Capela PnR's and Nene, I don't think scoring will be an issue so bringing in a True PG for a Score only bench player.
     
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    I've watched every season since 2001 and still watch the new series on Netflix. Don't judge me.
     
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    Always nice to have a young, low mistake point guard in the bullpen just in case we get hit by the injury bug.
     
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    Beverley will miss a few games for sure like every year. PP will provide us with some quality minutes but we needed a young PG.
     
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    So, Ennis vs. Beverley vs. Prigioni vs. Payton. What does he supposedly do better than these other 3, other than possibly a history of not turning the ball over much?
     
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    2001....i'm talking 80's 90's, the proper Degrassi
     
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    I tried to watch the old episodes with Spike and Snake on YouTube since they were main characters in the new series, but the 180p resolution caused me to rethink my decision.

    Degrassi is trash right now but the early 2000 version was great!
     
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    Really not that excited about his game, but hopeful he can surprise us.

    We desperately need a playmaker who can knock down open threes too.
     
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    Calderon is really garbage on defense.
     
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    I don't seem much of an offensive threat in GP II either.
    Watching him in Summer League just didn't raise the temperature.
    Couldn't hit a jumper. If your PG is no scoring threat then defenders can
    shade over to help out on other players making it even tougher to score
     
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    He looks pretty bad so far. I see the D-League in his future.
     
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    I've seen enough.....
     
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    bad trade again, this guy can't play for ****...
     
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    He has looked awful in preseason. What troubles me is that he doesnt seem to command the court at all when he is in the game with scrubs who NEED someone to set them up. I would be less worried if he tried to do "too much" as many young guys do in garbage time. His head doesnt seem to be in the game at all.

    His limited physical tools worry me too. He seems extremely slow footed out there.
     
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    He's healthy. When you break down our PG position (and I don't mean Harden, because there will still always have to be a small guy on the court that plays off the ball and defends opposing point guards) you're looking at Beverley Gordon Prigioni then Ennis.

    That's two guys with huge injury histories, then a mummy. Between Ennis and Dekker, the chance of Ennis cracking the rotation for spurts in the year is much higher.

    Probably only one of Ennis and Payton makes this team, but you need that fourth point given the track records of the guys above them. Dekker for all his ability to remind us of Chandler Parsons still has an ineffective outside shot. The regime has changed and I don't know if he fits this roster anymore. If he hangs on its because no one behind him proved that they were absolutely better.
     

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