Man doesn't follow police commands, gets popped after reaching into car in Tulsa

Off topic, but not sure how my avatar is supposed to feel about yours. Walt did Gustavo dirty.

 

I heard Gustavo is coming back in Better Call Saul. That's going to rock!

 

Well, BCS just turned into a must watch now.

 

In hindsight, yes, but how do you know how someone will react before they are put into that situation?

Manslaughter was certainly the right charge. I don't know how to feel really about her jail time. I've seen so many people calling for her to receive the death penalty or life in prison (neither will happen on Manslaughter of course). She isn't a danger to society. She will no longer be an officer, and if found guilty she will not be able to buy a firearm (at least I think felons can't).

 

Unless there was malicious intent, I personally don't favor jail time. Waste of money and another life/family destroyed. But I always have a forgiving perspective. However, I think she and that PD should be financially responsible to Mr. Crutcher immediate family for the next 30 years.

 

This is the same argument being made in defense of the Stanford rapist. Do you think his sentence was appropriate? If you kill someone, you lose the right to claim that your own family will be damaged by your punishment.

 

I didn't follow that case at all, so don't know the details. But in this case, she could be legitimately concern about her safety but was mistaken. That's not possible in raping someone. Raping is almost always to satisfy a personal greed and is a malicious act. Intent is a big deal to me.

 

She killed someone, the victim's family is doing their "time" for the rest of their lives. She needs to do hers. Needs to be held accountable for her actions whether it was intentional or not; that's why this is a manslaughter charge not a murder charge.

 

I see that you stated the she needs to be held accountable for her actions that's all that most want to happen that officers are held accountable for what they have done if it be murder,manslaughter,profiling or harassment let there be true justice.

 

Or if the result is that her actions are deemed justifiable (which is likely given the evidence) then that would be true justice as well. Just having a case at all is accountability.

 

I agree with the overall point you've made regarding training/culture, but one of the two is dead, so I wouldn't equate them as both being casualties.

 

And the one that is dead is the one that was on PCP.

 

Didn't realize that was a trial-less death penalty offense now. For somebody who claims to lean in such a Libertarian direction, this is weird justification from you.

 

I hold people accountable for their actions, it's part of having freedoms.

 

And death is proper accountability?

 

Should officers have to wait until someone actually opens fire on them? When a person who is high is ignoring your instructions and heading back to a vehicle where he could potentially have a weapon, how long before you do something? For all you know, he's currently armed.....

It's just a bad situation when people are doing those kinds of drugs in public.

 

I didn't see where they've released a toxicology report. Do you have this information handy?

 

They should wait until someone has a gun in their hands. You do not go firing off your weapon because you think the guy looks like a bad guy. That is cowardly and that kind of thinking has ruined law enforcement in this country. What happened to all the brave people protecting us? When did the police force turn into a bunch of cowards that shoots first at anyone that has even the slightest potential of being a threat?

 

Do you really need it? He was acting strangely, thinking his car was on fire at one point, and ignoring officers.....and they found PCP in his vehicle. I mean, sure maybe he was sober, but that says worse things about him.

 

Sounds like a good way to ensure more police fatalities. Then again, it's not you in harms way