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Man doesn't follow police commands, gets popped after reaching into car in Tulsa

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  1. bigtexxx

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    Always two sides to every story. Note the incident started way before filming began.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/tulsa-police-officer-shares-side-story-terence-crutchers/story?id=42243843

    The Encounter Started More Than a Minute Before What Is Shown on the Released Video

    Wood said "it's important to remember" that Shelby was on the scene with Crutcher for about a minute and a half before the start of the video clip released by police on Monday.

    When Shelby approached the car, the doors were closed, and the windows were open, Wood said. She looked into the passenger's side to make sure no one was on the floor of the car, and as she was getting ready to move to the driver's side, she turned around and saw Crutcher walking toward her, Wood said.

    Wood said that Shelby then said to Crutcher, "Hey, is this your car?"

    Crutcher didn't respond, simply dropping his head while continuing to look at Shelby, "kind of under his brow," Wood said. Crutcher then began to put his hand into his left pocket, Wood said, adding that Shelby told Crutcher, "Hey, please keep your hands out of your pocket while you're talking to me. Let's deal with his car."

    Crutcher did not respond, Wood said, so Shelby ordered him again to get his hand out of his pocket. He then pulled his hand away and put his hands up in the air, even though he was not instructed to do so, which Shelby found strange, Wood said.

    Shelby tried to get Crutcher to talk to her, but he simply mumbled something unintelligible and stared at her, Wood said. He then turned and walked to the edge of the roadway and turned to look at her, his hands still in the air, Wood said. He put his hands down and started to reach into his pocket again, Wood said, and she ordered him again to get his hands out of his pocket.

    At this point, Shelby, a drug recognition expert, believed Crutcher was "on something," Wood said, possibly PCP.

    Shelby then radioed in that she had a subject "who is not following commands."

    "You can kind of hear a degree of stress in her voice when she says that," Wood said.

    Shelby then pulled out her gun and had Crutcher at gunpoint as she commanded him to get on his knees, Wood said. She pulled out a gun instead of a Taser because she thought he had a weapon, and she was planning to arrest him for being intoxicated in public and possibly obstructing the investigation, Wood said.

    Shelby ordered Crutcher to stop multiple times as Crutcher walked toward the SUV with his hands up, Wood said.

    But those orders cannot be heard in the audio from the dashcam video, which starts as another patrol car pulls up to the scene, showing Crutcher walking toward the SUV with his hands up as Shelby follows him, apparently with her weapon drawn and pointing at Crutcher.
     
    #261 bigtexxx, Sep 21, 2016
  2. TesseracT

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    police have to vet these people to make sure they arent hiring people who can't handle pressure situations
     
    #262 TesseracT, Sep 21, 2016
  3. TEXNIFICENT

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    The only side to the story is hers, Crutcher is dead and dead men don't talk. I guess arresting him was out of the question, but we'll never know because the unarmed black man is dead. This is the common denominator in all of these sad situations. Shoot to kill and write the narrative. Genius!
     
    #263 TEXNIFICENT, Sep 21, 2016
  4. bigtexxx

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    Simplistic thinking from you.

    Another common denominator is often not following the police's commands. (but that doesn't fit your preferred narrative, so carry on...)
     
    #264 bigtexxx, Sep 21, 2016
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">CNN reporter just got attacked on air. <a href="https://t.co/sqdaiUTHXx">pic.twitter.com/sqdaiUTHXx</a></p>&mdash; Jimmy (@JimmyPrinceton) <a href="https://twitter.com/JimmyPrinceton/status/778766016268660737">September 22, 2016</a></blockquote>
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  6. TEXNIFICENT

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    It's funny you're "STILL" trying to hide behind MLK! LMFAO!

    PSSST... bigtexxx we still can see you! Stop trying to hide behind MLK. LOL!
     
    #266 TEXNIFICENT, Sep 21, 2016
  7. bigtexxx

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    Oh now you're changing the subject?


    telling
     
    #267 bigtexxx, Sep 21, 2016
  8. TEXNIFICENT

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    No, what's telling is that you're quoting a man who got famous by not obeying the police! But of course you knew that. LOL!

    You're a joke!
     
    #268 TEXNIFICENT, Sep 21, 2016
  9. bigtexxx

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    big difference between folks like Mike Brown and Dr King.

    give me a break, son
     
    #269 bigtexxx, Sep 21, 2016
  10. TEXNIFICENT

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    LOL!!!!! Nice try. You're a joke until you take down your sig. According to your logic anyone who doesn't obey the police deserves to get shot. Soooo...."Dr. King" got what he deserved by your reasoning. "Dr. King" was famous for not obeying the police. Can't have it both ways.
     
    #270 TEXNIFICENT, Sep 21, 2016
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    how obvious is it that the statement was written based on what can't be seen in the video?

    Ridiculous. The police force has gone rogue. It's full of good people, but the leadership is corrupt.

    No matter how strongly/stupidly you believe that there is a bias AGAINST cops, the portion of citizens that are furious are going to force a change. It's going to be tragic and difficult, but HOW tragic and HOW difficult is a matter of who wishes to stand in the way of inevitable human evolution. This literally won't continue, and the harder you fight it, the more you put yourself and everyone around you in danger of the undesired pendulum effect.
     
    #271 Mathloom, Sep 21, 2016
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    Your comparison of Mike Brown and MLK is offensive and racist.
     
    #272 Bandwagoner, Sep 21, 2016
  13. TEXNIFICENT

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    Never said anything about Mike Brown, only the joke poster who quotes MLK in a sad attempt to hide his agenda.
     
    #273 TEXNIFICENT, Sep 21, 2016
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    I'd assume she asked for that prior to having her gun out. I would love to hear what was said as well. I'm assuming based on the location of the SUV that he is drunk or high. I would not be surprised if he was saying something like just let me grab my keys.

    At the end of the day, she clearly shouldn't have shot him. The real question is, what consequences should she face?
     
    #274 juicystream, Sep 21, 2016
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    At the end of the day the guy should have followed the police's orders
     
    #275 bigtexxx, Sep 21, 2016
  16. TEXNIFICENT

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    Or he should have been arrested instead of murdered.
     
    #276 TEXNIFICENT, Sep 21, 2016
  17. LosPollosHermanos

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    texxx is loosing it. Everyone has called him out, no point hiding any longer.
     
    #277 LosPollosHermanos, Sep 21, 2016
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    "loosing it"? Strong command of the English language.

    The "liberal pile-on crew" + a senile DD don't quality as "everyone".
     
    #278 bigtexxx, Sep 21, 2016
  19. LosPollosHermanos

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    Sure, it's just the respect I afford you--so go ahead an rile yourself up over an extra "o". Properly constructed sentences are meant for those worth a discussion. You mocked a man being shot, and now are trying to justify it with your anti-black agenda.

    Its embarrassing honestly, but please.. dig your hole further.
     
    #279 LosPollosHermanos, Sep 21, 2016
  20. LosPollosHermanos

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    Try to find the typo in that last post too, its a better use of your time, although klan recruiting must be busy I imagine.
     
    #280 LosPollosHermanos, Sep 21, 2016
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