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Hillary Clinton leaves 9/11 Memorial early due to medical issue?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by RocketsLegend, Sep 11, 2016.

  1. Scarface281

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    But it wasn't even that hot at the time she fainted. It was in the mid 70s. All this other stuff you say just feel like excuses. Most people now aren't thinking it was simple overheating. This isn't the first faint/stumble.
     
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  2. Mr.Scarface

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    On Sunday afternoon, the Clinton campaign released a statement from her doctor, Dr. Lisa Bardack, who said Clinton had pneumonia and was suffering on Sunday from being overheated. The full statement is below:

    “Secretary Clinton has been experiencing a cough related to allergies. On Friday, during follow up evaluation of her prolonged cough, she was diagnosed with pneumonia. She was put on antibiotics, and advised to rest and modify her schedule. While at this morning’s event, she became overheated and dehydrated. I have just examined her and she is now re-hydrated and recovering nicely.”
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/clinton-health-ceremony_us_57d56ab5e4b00642712decde?section=&

    My healthy 12 (now 13 year old son was in the hospital for a week with Pneumonia caused by strep and the flu. It happens to all ages if you don't take care of it.
     
  3. Scarface281

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    Took them awhile to come up with this one.
     
  4. The Cat

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    You're really quibbling over 3 or 4 degrees?

    If you think it's excuses, go to a college or pro football game during the day with a gametime temp of between 75 and 80, and wear long pants and a long-sleeve shirt, including multiple layers. Be sure to sit in the sun and in close proximity to thousands of others. If you're comfortable, more power to you -- you must be a lot tougher than I am.

    You're right, though -- of course it's more than simply overheating. But if your system is already compromised by something else, something like the heat would likely have a more pronounced effect. They're saying it's pneumonia, but of course it's fair to be skeptical, seeing as how the diagnosis didn't come out beforehand.
     
  5. Bandwagoner

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    You are making a scenario with conditions much worse and with a threshold much lower. If I saw someone like that at a college game I was responsible for who I knew wasn't inebriated I would call 911.
     
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    bacterial pneumonia......since january.....riiiight

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/OeA5VQH51vs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
  7. Scarface281

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    A few degrees makes a difference. Especially going from the low 80s to mid 70s. It was between 74-76 at the time she was put into the van. Not sure why people tried using more current temps to describe the weather. You're really trying to make 80 as extreme as possible. Sorry bud not gonna work.

    No matter how you try to spin it, this doesn't look good. Before the medical stuff that came from the Trump side could get thrown out. Then she gives that alt right speech then soon after has those coughing fits. Now those weren't the first she's had. There have been other fits she had for months prior. When that happened, I saw more democrats question. Now with this? How can you spin this? She clearly has a medical issue and it isn't pneumonia. This gets caught on tape right after calling folks deplorable. Karma is real.
     
  8. The Cat

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    How are the conditions in my "scenario" much worse than the reality? There were thousands of people this morning in very tight proximity, without much shade. And all the politicians were in full suits. That's all been well documented. Quite possibly with a vest underneath, too.

    Yes, I'd seek medical assistance for a person in that scenario as well. Would seem pretty clear that at the very least, they need fluids. However, there are quite a few reasons why someone might need medical assistance that aren't all that concerning. I've fainted before, and after an ice pack for my head and neck, I went on about my day without being limited. Lot of possible causes is all I meant, some of which are not serious. Some others, of course, are.
     
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    http://w1.weather.gov/data/obhistory/KNYC.html

    Not that it matters.
     
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    That is where I keep the A/C set at in my home. That is perfect weather for watching a game. Just a few degrees cooler (say 69) and her handlers would have released a statement saying she was chilled by the cool temperatures. What a crock.

    But of course we see her sycophantic followers regurgitating these contrived talking points, right on queue. There is literally nothing these people will not say. Nothing.
     
  11. Bandwagoner

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    Under trees on an overcast day with an empty security bubble around you for 1 hour at 10am in a green space is vastly different than " in the sun and in close proximity to thousands of others" at "a college or pro football game".

    several hours vs 1
    concrete hell vs trees and grass
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    SUN

    I've dealt with heat exhaustion, do you live in Texas? If someone has heat exhaustion to the point they cannot stand they are in a bad way and need an ambulance. They are close to heat stroke. She showed no signs I see of heat related issues. I have no idea WTF is wrong with her but I hope you are being obtuse on the heat issues. People can die quick. Getting fluids doesn't help. They need their temp down asap.
     
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    So 79 degrees over half an hour after Hillary had been reported as falling in (meaning she fell ill before even that). The point remains the same....it wasn't hot. Even when it was slightly warmer when she was being put into the van. There was a breeze in Manhattan at the time too.
     
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    It's possible that it was the "heat" but the only reason it's possible is because she's elderly and in poor health.
     
  14. The Cat

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    The report I read specifically said that there wasn't much shade (and by the way, the middle of Manhattan is packed with concrete). If it was in the shade, that could change things -- but it's tough to tell from the pictures I've seen. But regardless, you can win that "argument" -- if you think 5 degrees really makes that significant of a difference, we're just not going to agree on that aspect, so I'll drop it.

    As far as the rest: Yes, I've lived in Texas for the majority of my life and have been in some extremely hot situations. Also, I never said that it was 100% a heat issue, because it wasn't. You're right -- if a person is suffering exclusively from heat exhaustion, it can get serious very quickly. In most situations, however, what happens is that a factor like the heat serves as a catalyst to exacerbate an underlying condition. Hillary's team says that condition is pneumonia, obviously others feel differently. I don't know enough to say.
     
  15. Newlin

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    If she has pneumonia she should probably be in the hospital. Pneumonia is very dangerous for the elderly. My parents take shots to prevent pneumonia because it is so dangerous for people their age.
     
  16. MojoMan

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    So surely she and her supporters will want to retire the "Right-wing conspiracy" blabbering about tal of her health issues after this, right?
     
  17. fchowd0311

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    What is that saying? A broken clock is right twice a day?

    And nothing is conclusive. Let's wait. We only have armchair doctor diagnosis so far.
     
  18. Space Ghost

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    Pretty much this. You can have Pneumonia and still function fine ... if its at the beginning or ending stages.

    If one has been coughing for as long as she was (lets just say two weeks) and his having trouble standing for an hour in 80º weather, its a serious issue for an elderly person.

    Considering her position, I seriously doubt she was given a medicare doctor that told her to take two aspirin and sleep it off. They would have caught this a lot sooner.
     
  19. MojoMan

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    I seriously doubt that her most critical health issue s pneumonia. We all know what a bunch of pathological liars these people are. Also, we all know that she has had nagging health concerns for quite a few months now, and even years actually.

    Think about it. Are you really buying this crap?
     
  20. CometsWin

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    Sure, the right wing conspiracy freaks has been touting pneumonia for weeks.
     

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