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[Official] Cubs @ Astros

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Sep 9, 2016.

  1. Nick

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    Sorry. Figured it was implied since the crux of this season has featured guys who have been fine in innings other than the 9th, and all the extra nuances that comes with that inning.
     
  2. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    I was assuming that until you posted that you meant exactly what you said.
     
  3. Nick

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    Sorry, again. Honestly, I've never considered the earlier innings as true "save opportunities", unless it's like the old days where they come in to finish the game in the 7th (back when closers were men! Haha).
     
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    As terribly annoying as it was to have so many cubs fans there, it was a pretty fun atmosphere. Definitely playoff like...but if someone the playoffs were played at a neutral site. It was funny to hear the chants of one team immediately get drowned out by the chants from the other team. Didn't matter which one started it.

    It was good to see McHugh avoid too much trouble. I wish he could've gone deeper but he wasn't as efficient as he needed to be. They just dominated Bryant as the cubs fans were chanting "MVP". The pen did a great job. Giles was a little off with his slider but man did he get the job done.

    Let's finish this weekend off right and send the Chicago teams home with their tails between their legs.
     
  5. Houstunna

    Houstunna Mr Graphix
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    If you're regarding my topic a couple months ago, that convo was about *all* 9th inning save situations. I didn't mention the Angels game. The results his first 2 save situations (9th inning) were...

    - 9.00 ERA
    - 2 of 2 surrendering runs
    - 50% Blown percentage

    And, that came after he failed securing the closer designation (the exact job he was obtained) coming out of ST.


    YES, after 2 games, he was a 9th inning failure. I also said he could turn it around.

    Giles recently stopped surrendering runs literally EVERY save appearance, and I've given him credit many times.

    Currently, my Giles trust-level is a low-7... and he's trending upward.
     
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  6. Nick

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    You must have the highest of scrutinizing standards. I'll just stick with his overall numbers since the all star break (regardless of inning), and his thus far scoreless streak during 9th inning one run save ops.

    April (and ST) were a long long time ago. Not sure what it has to do with how he's pitching now.
     
  7. Houstunna

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    I stated earlier results from this season because you stated earlier results.
     
  8. Nick

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    I mentioned results from August till now. Or post all star break. Far more applicable.
     
  9. Houstunna

    Houstunna Mr Graphix
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    So, are you denying mentioning earlier results?
     
  10. Nick

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    There's "earlier" and there's April/ST. I'll let you figure out which one is more applicable to now.

    Surprised you're missing out on Fox's pre game show in downtown. It's a Houston love-fest.
     
  11. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    The only closer I ever trusted was Fred Gladding. :)
     
  12. jim1961

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    2 of Arrieta's last 4 starts have been rocky. Hopefully we get the Arrieta that gave up 5 ER in 5.2 vs Mil. and 6 ER in 6.1 vs Pitt.
     
  13. Houstunna

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    Exactly

    Giles is "trending upward" from the "earliest" time you had mentioned in the post I first quoted.
     
  14. Nick

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    Just pointing out the double standard of the earlier blown save being brought up and remembered constantly, but the more recent performances in one run opportunities conveniently forgotten.
     
  15. Houstunna

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    I've mentioned Giles' recent 9th inning success (namely his scoreless save appearances) many times recently.

    No surprise you never pointing that out.
     
  16. Nick

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    Hence the double standard.

    What he did prior to him turning it around is pretty meaningless going forward.
     
  17. Houstunna

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    False.. if he'd played better "earlier", the team would likely be in a better position going forward.

    Good job deleting your double-standards.
     
  18. Nick

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    Huh? Where have we ever been discussing or debating that?

    I really don't think you understand the definition of that term... Figures since you overly believe in small sample sizes.
     
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    I decided to look at ERA by inning. (a "-" means the sample was too small)

    All of our guys do well in the 8th, and not so well in the 9th.


    7th Inning

    Giles 4.05
    Harris 1.04
    Gregorson -
    Neshek 1.96

    8th Inning

    Giles 2.70
    Harris 1.17
    Gregorson 1.00
    Neshek 0.00

    9th Inning
    Giles 4.32
    Harris 4.58
    Gregorson 4.5
    Neshek -


    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=gileske01&year=&t=p
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=harriwi10&year=&t=p
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=gregelu01&year=&t=p
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=neshepa01&year=&t=p
     
  20. jim1961

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    So given the above, you might conclude:

    7th - Harris/Neshek
    8th - Gregorson/Harris/Neshek
    9th - By committee
     

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