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Colin Kaepernick protests anthem due to treatment of minorities

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by BleedRocketsRed, Aug 27, 2016.

  1. Bobbythegreat

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    Would you prefer cops entirely abandon high crime areas so that people don't feel "harassed" when they get stopped by cops for breaking the law?

    Do you seriously believe that the multi-racial group that makes up the police force just set out to "harass" black people? Do black officers go back to being black people when they get off work? Are they still racist?
     
  2. TheRealist137

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    Yes...

     
  3. TheRealist137

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    Op wait, theres more

     
  4. bigtexxx

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    People need to realize what Kaepernick and BLM are doing is only serving to divide people even more. It's not helping anything at all. Problem citizens like Mike Brown and Alton Sterling are terrible examples to hold up, and the killing of police in response was what turned everybody against the whole movement. It's also insanely hypocritical considering the black-on-black violence and the factual data behind that, versus the white-on-black crime. You've got folks cherry picking stats and then throwing a racial pity party. That's what this is.
     
  5. JayGoogle

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    I think what we really need to address is how the GOP has spent decades playing racial politics (Probably a reason why you believe the things you believe) and how that has played a huge factor in this division. It seems not many on the right are ready to look this in the face and address it.
     
  6. Deji McGever

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    The 49ers have already pledged $1mil to organizations that improve racial and economic inequality and kneeling during the anthem is in early stages of becoming viral. I'd say that he's already been way more effective than BLM at getting the message out, and bringing people to his cause that were not before.

    Even if this was a stunt for him to keep his job (I don't think so), he succeeded in that too!
     
  7. MojoMan

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    How are these organizations supposedly improving racial or economic equality in any sort of meaningful or sustainable way? Not just lip service towards this end, but actual results?

    Expecting crickets....

    Amiright?
     
  8. bigtexxx

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    ...aaaaand you change the topic and reference some vague concept of "years of racial politics".

    come on, dude.
     
  9. bigtexxx

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    He's further increased the divide. Some $1M donation to a group that may or may not help anything isn't success.
     
  10. JayGoogle

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    Vague? It's pretty well known, it's called the Southern Strategy and it seems many republican politicians are still playing that game.

    Meanwhile just like the usual Fox news watcher all you can do is bring up black on black crime as if that has anything to do with this.
     
  11. bigtexxx

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    You're flailing so bad it's cringe-worthy.

    1) You reference a strategy from the 1960s? Seriously?

    2) It's insanely hypocritical to say "BLM" when the vast, vast majorities of those lives that are being lost are murdered by other blacks. The group is cherry-picking a few incidents to base their outrage upon, while ignoring the other 90%+. It's a complete joke.
     
  12. JayGoogle

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    1960s? Umm no, far more recent than that. This extends to Reagan and Trump is playing this same game. Not only that one look at right media would say they've continued this nonsense. In fact a few reports have come out on voting rights and you and other conservatives have yet to even acknowledge those threads exist. Seems they are still playing the game to me. No wonder they continue to lose that minority vote across all minorities.

    I really don't get how you continue to make this argument. A Breast cancer organization doesn't show up to an Aid's rally. BLM has nothing to do with gang violence and there is nothing they can do to stop gang violence. What do you want them to do? Tell killers to stop killing people? Okay. That worked.

    As always some of you know only how to blame and not actually solve issues. What in your mind should BLM do to stop gang violence in Chicago?
     
  13. Deji McGever

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    Well...that's a fair question. I don't know. Like any advocacy group, they are trying to draw attention to their cause. They aren't a think tank writing policy papers.

    I don't think Kaepernick's or BLM's supporters are expecting them to solve the problem. They are advocates -- their job is bringing people out of complacency and to force the issue. Finding solutions to these sorts of complex problems is something for black communities, elected politicians and law enforcement to figure out.

    What I do know is that BLM's strategy of shocking middle america into creating a conversation about extra-judicial killings and other issues has not been nearly as effective at reaching a sympathetic audience as a third-string quarterback taking a knee during the national anthem.

    People initially criticized the way he went about it, but it's been proven to be extremely effective. The NFL is taking it seriously and we're watching a ripple effect that I would never have expected.
     
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    BLM is fostering an atmosphere of hate against the police. That is obvious. Police have been murdered by folks angered by all this. There's a linkage and it's obvious.
     
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    He's reaching a much larger audience than BLM ever did, and he's winning over people that would never have taken BLM seriously. What that million dollars is and what it will or won't do to help things isn't as important as the 49ers making it clear to the public and the league that they are supportive of Kaepernick. And that's huge (and frankly, unexpected).
     
  16. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Black lives matter is taking bigtexx out of his safe space.
     
  17. bigtexxx

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    hot take

    I know you're trolling, so no further response, New Yorker
     
  18. Bandwagoner

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    sweet tard got burned so hard on his safe space he thinks just randomly saying it will make him look less tarded. (it won't)
     
  19. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    That is exactly what BLM is trying to say - that we are all the same human race and it's time that black people are treated as equal humans like every other human. Yet you are saying we aren't equal and implicitly that we don't deserve equal treatment. That's kinda the definition of racism. You get so offended. I look at my own views and ask myself - am I being racist? Am I being narrow-minded? Am I trolling? And I answer those questions to myself as honestly as I can - not for any reason but I value self-honesty. Instead of getting so defensive and angry, why don't you get introspective and analyze your views. Everyone has room to grow - I am constantly growing and evolving. Those who claim to be perfect and unwilling to look at their views are the ones who are living in a false reality. Are you strong enough to be self-critical?


    It's like we live in some Orwellian nightmare in sharing the planet with such people.

    You keep repeating the same statistics without any context and any kind of acknowledgement of the counter argument. You say cops should be afraid of black people and that's why they treat them worse because cops are more often shot by blacks than whites. What you don't say is that there are less than 100 cops killed each year out of a million who serve. So at most you might have 50-60 black people who murder a cop in a year. And therefore it's understandable that cops treat the other 40 million blacks worse because of the actions of those 50-60???

    I have met cops who act differently and don't abuse people. I have seen them in action. So I think you have no basis to say I would not act differently. And I never claimed EVERYONE is a racist. You are not debating in a genuine fashion Bobby. You like mojoman have a problem being self-reflective. It's a real issue.


    Not trolling at all. You complain about PC-ness, then complain about BLM saying things you find divisive. Calling out that hypocrisy is legitimate. Of course you won't respond. You will never acknowledge how full of it you are and why no one takes you seriously. It's because of crap like this.

    You don't live by what you preach.
     
  20. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Awesome post
     

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