Colin Kaepernick protests anthem due to treatment of minorities

Precisely, I'm having a hard time understanding how someone could post a self defeating argument.

 

So it's ok to discriminate against black people because being black means you are more violent?

At least we are getting somewhere.

 

Mojo man just came out of the racist closet. Let's not condemn him for showing his true colors. I don't think people can change until they start to see the fallacy of their thinking without being put on the defensive.

 

Perhaps one day you'll be part of the racial minority and that white privilege will become a distant memory. Then you can begin to fully experience the desirability of racial inequality.

 

That's not what I said, but of course that's what you heard because....well, it's you.

 

You just said black people are more violent and that's why cops abuse them more. So it is what you said. It's because they are black, you didn't say poor people are more violent, you said blacks are.

Your words, not mine. Don't run away from them now kid.

 

"So cops are more prone to use force with a demographic that is MUCH more likely to use force against cops? The same demographic that makes up only 14% of the population but commits over 52% of all murders in the country? Shocking, must be racism, only explanation. Let's march on Washington."


......Sounds like that is exactly what you said

 

No, that's not what I said, you added words like "abuse" because that's the narrative you desperately want to push. Poor people are also generally more violent and cops treat them differently too.

You seem to think it's normal for black people to distrust police, but it's odd for police to distrust those who commonly attack them....why is that?

 

No, what he said was a twisted version of what I said. Cops are more likely to use force against groups that attack them. When a group disproportionately attacks police then the use of force numbers will also be disproportionate. it's just common sense.

That's why I say that we need a cultural change within the black community if we want real change, not privileged assholes disrespecting the country.

 

Blacks are commonly attacking cops???? 51 cops have died this year from attacks - not all of those are from blacks. But less say only blacks kills cops.

That's a kill rate so far this year of.....

0.005%

I think it's time to change your name to bobbytheracist

 

What the hell did I just read on the last 2 pages? Some of you people need help.

 

You people are the racists. In fact I never even considered this in a racial context until you three brought it up. I was thinking of it in terms of economic equality, which has been a central theme of the Bernie Sanders campaign.

Since you have attributed that to me without basis, when in fact these ideas are entirely from your thoughts and your perspectives, you have born false witness about me. That makes you liars, which is hardly breaking new ground for any of you.

Perhaps you could explain how people could be of DIFFERENT races, that is they are different because of their race - which is your idea - and still be equal, in other words the same. You cannot do it and in fact you do not believe it is true. How can you?

In fact there is only one race, the human race. There are no different races for there to be differences between. There are no racial differences because there are no different races. In fact, white and black are not races, they are different skin colors. Hispanic is not a different race, it is an ethnicity. Jews and Muslims are not different races, they are different religions. Etc.

So, as you can see here, I am actually the champion of equality based on race, while you people are the racists. Since we are in fact all members of the same race, all of this racial divisiveness is just a lot of contrived BS, which is promoted and perpetrated by racists, such as yourselves.

Whatever differences there are exist entirely on the individual level. On that level, there is no true equality, because every human being is unique. We all have different skills, different strengths, different weaknesses, different parents, different people in their lives, different choices, different experiences, different starting places in life. While that does not make anyone better or worse than anyone else, it does mean that we are not "equal".

That is actually one of the great strengths of our species, our lack of literal equal-ness. No two people are the same. It starts at the genetic level and increases after that. We have to have this diversity, or we would not survive. Without it, we very certainly would not have the capacity to thrive either.

If you must, we all have variations in our skin pigmentation (melanin in our skin), which is not even static, as we can change the appearance of that by spending time in or out of the sun, or in a tanning salon. The racists put a lot of stock in this. In fact, it appears to be in terms of substance perhaps the most trivial difference between individual human beings that there actually is, bar none.

However, not to the racists and not to you people. But I repeat myself.

 

Mojo man, you views are at best ignorant. Statements like this:

As a way to describe blacks is such a gross stereotype - nevermind all the BLM members - the vast vast majority who march peacefully. Nevermind that the number of cops killed is a tiny number. Then you come out and say equality isn't meant to be and that it's a good thing to have inequality, implies that the world needs white people to be superior to blacks.

And you get upset when people call you out as a racist? You might not realize it mojoman, but based on what you just said, you are a white supremacist.

 

Amazing, isn't it? But when pressed, people tend to drop down the veils and show their true selves.

One guy, when challenged on why blacks and other minorities are distrustful of law enforcement, tries to turn it around and claim blacks commonly attack police and thus its the black people's own fault.

Another, when challenged as to why blacks and other minorities should not be unhappy that they don't get equal treatment, claims that people shouldn't expect equal treatment (specifically, equal pay) because we shouldn't want everyone to be equal, and then spins off into an argument that there really is only one race, and then complains about race even being introduced (in a thread about a football player protesting racial inequality).

 

The funny thing... this type of thinking probably complains that minorities don't blend in... that they don't abandon their culture, their languages, and become more "american." They argue against any legislation that addresses past and current practices that discriminate. They defend any action that appears to discriminate when it favors the status quo. And they deny inequality and discrimination exists. All the while claiming that they are not a racists... its those that attempt to address the issue are the racists.

 

GFY Lou. You are not only a racist, you are certainly one of the most egregious examples of that on this board, as you have demonstrated here today, yet again.

In fact there is only one race, the human race. In other words, there are no different races. But I know you disagree and will defend the idea of different races, and therefore the differences between these so-called races, to the death. This is your thing.

What those people did in the instances I cited above was not based on any legitimate "racial" differences. They was based on cultural differences and what are effectively self-selected tribal differences. These people see and value themselves according to their blackness, according to their so-called "race," as you also do, and as other racist typically do. This is the core of what racism actually is, this sort of obsessive racial self-identification. These heinous actions by these people were obviously motivated in large part by their obsession with their "race" and by their racism.

But in truth, there is only one race and we all share membership in it. Me and you are both members of the same race, Lou. Deny it though you do and racist though you are.

 

I wouldn't mind the day where flags are treated as nothing more than pieces of cloth.

 

That's what the numbers show. In 2001 for example, black people made up 12% of the population but 43% of officers that were murdered were killed by a black suspect.

It's funny that in your mind, the only explanation is that EVERYONE is a racist. When some of you crazy kids talk about "cops" being racist, or the country being racist.....you do realize that you are talking about a multi-racial group right? You are essentially saying that black people are racist against black people.....and not even just that, EVERYONE is racist against black people.

You simply aren't willing to accept logical explanations.

When you have more than 52% of the total murders in a country being committed by 11-14% of the population, it leads to different treatment by EVERYONE. When one group is so disproportionately violent, it's a natural reaction by those who put their lives on the line day in and day out trying to protect the innocent from those who wish to do them harm.

I mean, you do realize that you'd act no differently if you were a cop right?

Even if you look at the cases of alleged police wrongdoing, nearly every case is either a person attacking a cop or resisting arrest. That's why I say that for real change, you need cultural change. The violence in the community needs to stop or at least drastically slow down.....and "The Ferguson effect" has only led to more violence so maybe it's time to re-think things.

 

Problem with this argument is that cops patrol and harass black communities more.

 

So is it the chicken or the egg? Or maybe a bit of both?