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[Week 1] NFL

Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by UtilityPlayer, Sep 6, 2016.

  1. J Sizzle

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    "Wee cayre aboutz tha playur safetee!" - Goodell
     
  2. Bobbythegreat

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    Some probably were, that's why IMO he's gonna have to change his QB style, when you make yourself a runner, those plays aren't going to be called like they would if you were standing in the pocket. That said, they did miss at least one that I think should have been called that was in the pocket.
     
  3. Air Langhi

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    Only if you are Brady, manning, Brees, Rodgers..

    They were letting them go at Cam's head a bunch of times.
     
  4. Bandwagoner

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    the criticism should be on the panthers not the NFL. Also anyone who thinks Wade had a bounty on Cam needs to reevaluate their world perspective.

    It falls on the teams independent doctors to pull players, not the refs.
     
  5. Air Langhi

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    The refs should be throwing flags when defenders are going for cams head.
     
  6. Bobbythegreat

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    When he's in the pocket, sure, when he scrambles he loses that protection. IMO they missed one call last night when he was hit while in the pocket. It happens, do we need to march on Washington about it?
     
  7. gatsby

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    This is factually incorrect. No helmet to helmet hits are allowed, regardless of who they are, where on the field or their position.
     
  8. Duncan McDonuts

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    The Marshall hit when Cam was out of the pocket was late. It's a gray area whether Cam was a runner or passer at that time, so the head-to-head legality was questionable, but Marshall still launched at Cam late and with a head-to-head hit making it seem more illegal.

    The hit flagged at the end was when Cam was out of the pocket as well, but he was still well behind the LOS and I don't think it's questionable that he was still a passer at the time.
     
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    I thought the rule for no helmet to helmet contact was that the use of the "crown" of the helmet was a no-no.

    I think for QB's once they leave the pocket what I said above applies.

    Not 100% sure.
     
  10. Bobbythegreat

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    I would suggest you watch RB's more closely then, they take a lot of helmet to helmet hits when they are being tackled, it's never called because it's seen as incidental and they aren't defenseless. The rules allow for "incidental contact by the mask or helmet in the course of a conventional tackle" and when you give up your protection as a QB by running around, you open yourself up to that.

    It's why there was no penalty for this hit
    https://youtu.be/WP4JfqHDlps
     
  11. Bobbythegreat

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    That's it exactly, when he's clearly a passer he gets protection, when he makes himself a runner or potential runner, he loses that protection. Cam operates in the "gray area" a LOT and it is going to lead to him absorbing more punishment than a standard QB would without a flag in a lot of instances.
     
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    Kubiak knows what he's doing. He tried to limit mistakes on offense, and then let the defense win the game. It worked. Again.
     
  13. Rocketman95

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    Kubiak would've been far more successful last night had he been posting on Clutchfans.
     
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    Agree with the "grey area" for why flags weren't thrown for some of those hits.

    He took maybe 5-7 shots to the head last night and its just the first game of the season. At this rate he'll forget what team he's playing for by the end of the season.
     
  15. Bobbythegreat

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    Yeah but it took a missed FG and a team that some think is very good offensively only scoring 3 second half points. That's more luck than skill.
     
  16. Mr. Clutch

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    Kubiak should have run Von Miller up the middle with Sylvester Williams lead blocking, but he's just not very creative
     
  17. Air Langhi

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    They got lucky that the kicker missed. 50 Yards in Denver is like 45 yard FG anywhere else.
     
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    Marshall had plenty of time to let up after Cam started his throwing motion. Marshall didn't, and he should've been flagged for a late hit. The helmet-to-helmet is the only gray area on that play. Any other QB that scrambles and gets rid of the ball before taking that hit would draw a flag.
     
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    Let's wait on the NFL to evaluate and comment. This should be interesting.

    Cam clearly hasn't been afforded the same protections by the refs as some other QBs, but I have a feeling that will change for him immediately. I would liken it to how NBA refs allowed Shaq and Yao to get brutalized when they played. Like Cam, those guys were very different from what refs are accustomed to.

    Last night was not good at all for the NFL.
     
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    When you have a QB with Cam's running ability, you can't assume he's going to throw it, even if he starts his throwing motion, you still have to hit him because it could be a fake. That's why it ends up being a "gray area". If you make it to where defenders have to "let up" just because he starts a throwing motion, you'd have him faking then running a lot. When you blend 2 positions together like Cam does, it gets hard to officiate due to the separate rules governing runners and QB's.
     

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