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Colin Kaepernick protests anthem due to treatment of minorities

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by BleedRocketsRed, Aug 27, 2016.

  1. CometsWin

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    Big Macs don't get paid to protect them. For decades there have been riots due to police brutality and treatment of minority neighborhoods. DECADES. You pretend like this is a new phenomenon. Now people don't deserve equal justice because big macs? Is that your new willful ignorance thing?
     
  2. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    It's not irrational when there are studies that show blacks get treated worse by cops and the criminal justice system. There is a statistical basis for them to see the police as biased against blacks because the police are in fact biased against blacks.

    It doesn't help that there are videos of bad cops shooting unarmed black men and teens. It also doesn't help that racism runs amok in many police departments.

    So before you call it irrational, maybe it's actually irrational that you ignore the studies and claim something doesn't exist when it clearly does.
     
  3. Rockets Pride

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    Quit crying and go do something about it then. Go grab a knee tomorrow in NYC and protest. Go put your hands up and March. Go cry more.
     
  4. TheRealist137

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    Why do you refuse to acknowledge evidence of unfair treatment? Simple question.
     
  5. mtbrays

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    Ppl forget that. Really makes u think
     
  6. Bobbythegreat

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    It's very much overblown.....and that's not even what is ever talked about. What gets talked about is the false notion that cops are out shooting innocent black people in the streets. For the most part all of the BS is related to people who attack cops and get shot....and people are dumb enough to jump on that bandwagon it seems.
     
  7. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Blacks aren't "oppressed" in America the same way they were 100 years ago, but the police is definitely biased against them.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/u...e-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html?_r=0

    what's interesting is that the right will focus on the fact that blacks aren't more likely to get shot - pretending that all the other mistreatments are somehow ok. This is what you see by the right-wing, and of course folks like Bobby & RL
     
  8. TheRealist137

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    The conclusion is systemic inequality exists. What about that conclusion do you disagree with? And why do you have a problem with people trying to eliminate that inequality?
     
  9. Bobbythegreat

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    What systemic inequality are you talking about? Be specific. Are you suggesting that "the man" is out to get black people? Are you just talking about the high rates of criminality in the black community? What are you talking about?

    You need to be specific because that blanket BS won't work.
     
  10. mtbrays

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    I know, I was trying to be sarcastic by using the common "People forget that" comment you see on a conservative uncle's Facebook post. Sometimes it's difficult to convey that on the internet.
     
  11. TheRealist137

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    Cops treating minorities differently. Cops disproportionately arresting minorities for crimes, cops physically assaulting minorities, etc.

    Pay attention.
     
  12. Bobbythegreat

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    Black people kill cops at a highly disproportional rate and they commit violent crimes at a highly disproportional rate.....that is going to lead to different treatment. Also disproportional arrests happen when you have people committing crimes at disproportional rates.

    None of that is worth protesting and none of that gets fixed without cultural changes within the black community.
     
  13. TheRealist137

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    And yet even if you consider and adjust for all behavioral factors, inequality still exists. That's worth protesting.
     
  14. MojoMan

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    Man cops and citizens across this country live in fear of certain black people, as they are, on a per capita basis, statistically more likely to commit crimes, especially violent crimes than other members of our society. That is a statistical fact.

    Further, many among the Democrat left have helped promote the idea that inner city black people like those in Baltimore should be beyond the law and that the police are the enemy who should be ready to die themselves rather than to dare to use violent or deadly force on a black man who is breaking the law and attacking a police officer. In response, we have actually seen several instances where black people around the country have indiscriminately targeted and killed police officers solely because they are police officers.

    Most of our country not only wants but needs for this to change, because without the police, there is no law and there is no order in our society. If the choice is between deferring to the Democrat left's political correctness agenda, or maintaining law and order in our society, the vast majority of people in our country will choose law and order, hands-down, case-closed, game-over. Why can't you understand that?

    Now there are certainly occasional incidents when police officers exceed their authority and act violently against criminals or criminal suspects of every possible skin coloring, including black people. When there is a legitimate concern about that, the matter should be investigated by an unbiased investigator. If wrongdoing is found by the police officer, then the police officer should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law, regardless of the skin coloring of the police officer or the suspect that the police officer was involved with.

    All that being said, people who champion the kind of racially-oriented mob violence that we have seen in Ferguson and Baltimore have a credibility problem, as they have time and again made up charges that turned out to be untrue, which were the basis for fomenting violence and unrest. Then with the enthusiastic assistance of the left-leaning media, they have encouraged mob violence against people and property, without any apparent concern for whether these accusations are legitimate, causing enormous damage, including enormous damage to the reputation of the black people involved in these riots and lootings, which invariably and unfortunately raises concerns in other potentially volatile situations that involve black people.

    Suffice it to say, these people have brought a lot of this on themselves and these people are to a very substantial degree responsible for the situation they now find themselves in.

    In order to solve this problem, the tendency of black people to act this way must be addressed and corrected.

    The police cannot unilaterally disarm and leave the streets unprotected because, heaven for bid, there is a black person involved, and they would not want to be accused of being politically incorrect or put themselves at risk of being called a racist or a bigot by people who have shown themselves time and again to be liars and serial promoters of racist mob violence. That cannot be the answer. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
     
  15. Bobbythegreat

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    I'm not sure you can adequately consider and adjust for those factors. There are all sorts of black people who think cops are out to get them, if you consider that black people target cops at a much higher rate than even the "disproportionate" numbers that have convinced black people that the man is out to get them...I mean that's a hard factor to take into consideration.

    I mean, what do you even protest? That people will stop committing crimes? That cops will stop doing their jobs and let people get away with being criminals? That's why it's such a stupid thing. Until you can lower the crime numbers in the black community, you'll have that community having "problems" with the cops.

    Perhaps we could go with an Anarchist's idea and just do away with police, then there would be no "oppression" when people are caught breaking the law. I dunno.
     
  16. TheRealist137

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    It's not really that hard:
    http://www.civilrights.org/publicat...-racial.html?referrer=https://www.google.com/
     
  17. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Actually they don't, it's that poor people commit crimes (violent and otherwise) at a higher rate. When you adjust for socioeconomics, race drops out as a variable. This is just another way in which you try to be a racist by making it about race isn't of economics which is the real variable.

    But what the right does is try to spin it as being black is the reason people commit crime, not socioeconomics - and use a data point that isn't scientific to mask their racial bias
     
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    You really have a thing about rolling in with inaccurate information and trying to pass it off as viable don't you?

    Between 1980 and 2008 DOJ statistics show that black people committed over 52% of all murders in the US despite being less than 15% of the population... There is a cultural problem on top of just the poverty problem. I'm sorry using inaccurate figures and simple minded explanations won't make that hard reality go away.
     
  20. edwardc

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    Come on bobby it's not that hard to see it man there are many of people that see it why can't are ? you stuck in the pass where it's not being shown people are tired of this nonsense taking place and standing up for something. Cause we all know if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything.
     

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