Colin Kaepernick protests anthem due to treatment of minorities

It's not really that he didn't "protest" in a proper manner, it's that he doesn't even have a legitimate cause in which to protest. When people have legitimate causes then it's easier for people to get behind "protests" that are disrespectful. Basically if there was cause for him to be a disrespectful little b*stard, then it would be okay. Since it's just him being a disrespectful little b*stard for no valid reason, it's not.

Glad I could help.

 

I haven't offered my personal views on abortion because it is not relevant to any topic I've participated in on this board. You are the second person to claim that you know where I stand on the issue. I'm curious to know which one of my posts led you to this conclusion. Are you simply assuming things about my personal beliefs based on absolutely no evidence?

 

I assumed your stance based on how upset you were that an impoverished little girl decided to go ahead and have the b*stard that she was impregnated with and abandoned. It would make sense to be upset that she didn't just abort the child in the best interest of the world. I assumed you thought similar to how I do on the subject. Turns out you just have weird and random beliefs that change to fit whatever narrative you want them to fit at any given time.

 

Oh ok. So you are r****ded. Good to know. My favorite part is you like to have some hot takes but then run away from having a stance like a little b**** from others. Falls right in line with your convoluted, contradictory posts.

 

So you have no evidence. Just as I thought.

 

You denied being on either side of an issue. Asking for a direct quote is pointless with two denials. I guess pouhe slicing you to pieces with your own racist words really scared you off. If you got burned that hard in D&D you might want to go check out a place with less accountability.

 

The method of protest and the cause he was protesting may not correlate but the FACT that minorities don't get the same benefit of the doubt that white folks get when dealing with some police officers is most certainly a legitimate cause.

I don't see how the national anthem for a country relates to how people are treated by a few bad apples since the country isn't sponsoring or promoting said behavior.

It does not help matters with the general public that the NFL denied the Cowboys request to honor the fallen officers with decals on their helmets and turned around and supported CK which was in their views a slap in the face to those officers.

 

You might disagree as to the legitimacy of the cause but that doesn't stop it from being a cause to him and others as well as being something that he finds worthy of making a point or doing something in order to start or rekindle conversations about the cause he is choosing to champion.

 

I disagree that it's a legitimate cause. It's a trumped up illegitimate cause that is based on "hands up don't shoot" and other phony BS like that. If there's a difference in how people are treated, it's best explained by crime statistics, not racism. When over 40% of cops that get killed every year are killed by between 11-13% of the population (according to a 33 year study so the percentage changed over time) that number is nearly twice that of the percentage of black people shot by police, you know, the number that everyone is all up in arms about. The number that has people saying that black people are 2.5 times as likely to be shot by a cop than white people. Crazy that the percentage of cops shot by black people is always ignored in these types of conversations. It seems like no one ever seeks out logical and rational explanations for why things happen, they just assume racism.

Anyway, eventually things like that cause cops to be more careful around some people than they do of others. You don't treat an elderly grandmother as an equal threat as you do a pissed off and drunk 20 something male, different people represent different threat levels. I know, crazy right? The funny part is that most of the examples of police wrongdoing they try and run with end up being completely justified in their actions.

People can cry racism all they like, but the simple fact is that they wouldn't act any differently if they were in that position on a day to day basis, no matter who they are or how much they'll lie about it.

 

I don't actually think that he even thinks it's a legitimate cause, he's using it for a publicity stunt because of his failing career.

As to the true believers who aren't capable of understanding that it's a BS illegitimate cause, I feel bad for them but I'll still point out that they are incredibly stupid, even if they have good intentions.

 

Apples and oranges dude. Those two things aren't exactly similar re. the Cowboys and the decals.

The NFL never said they supported Kaepernick but rather his right to sit, which he does have the right to do and they have no business stating otherwise. They never said they approve of or support his reasoning for sitting during the anthem.

Per the league office

As for the Cowboys, here's what their owner had to say about the decal issue

This is not the first or last time that the league has put the kibosh on a certain team or player trying to make a statement(positive or otherwise) with the uniform.

 

I've heard that line from other people and I find it to be a bit ridiculous. I understand how one could think so but, explain how doing what he is doing might be beneficial to him in any way with regard to his career?

If he hadn't sat down during the anthem, and hadn't even said a thing to the media about his reasons for sitting down, and the 49ers proceeded to release him at the end of pre-season, do you seriously think no team or even few teams wouldn't be calling his agent up instantly to have him visit their facility and consider signing with them? No matter how bad he played last season or this pre-season so far, he's still a quarterback with a set of skills which not every qb is blessed with and which he showed just a couple of seasons ago.
It's not as if all or even the majority of NFL teams are blessed with good QBs(I won't even say great qbs). Add in the cuts at the end of the season by other teams, factor in injuries to QBs during pre-season or during the season and it'd be absurd to think Colin Kaepernick wouldn't get a chance with another team in a league that still takes looks at Josh Freeman and gives Matt Cassel and Christian Ponder a job. After what he's done, yeah his options will definitely be more limited.

Doing what he did in no way benefits him at this point in his career but rather it hampers him.

 

If he's cut before the publicity stunt, the headline would just be about a scrub QB getting cut due to sucking. Now that he's pulled this nonsense, the story will be about how he was cut for standing up to the man or some other dumb BS like that. He's almost guaranteed that he'll get at least 1 more shot if only for a team that wants the publicity. Not a bad plan for a guy that otherwise would be out of the league entirely due to lack of NFL caliber talent. He might get a few more checks out of this stunt.

 

What does his contract have to do with anything?
He isn't protesting his treatment but rather that of other people.

Also, by virtue of his salary, is he not allowed to speak up about anything whatsoever that he may have an issue with? Or once one reaches a certain salary amount then one is forbidden to speak out?
Would you be fine with what he said if he was on an NFL rookie minimum of $435,000? Or is that still too high an amount for one to be earning and be allowed to speak up for other people or a cause or issue that might affect them?

Would he need to be on exactly $100,000? $50,000?

I just don't understand the desire that people have to bring up an athletes salary anytime they say something that some in the public might oppose.
I wonder if jealousy might play a part in that.

 

The point is that he's speaking about things he knows nothing about. Things that wouldn't apply to him even if they were real. He has no credibility on the issue and the cause has no legitimacy.

If he had any credibility, or if at least the "cause" he was allegedly protesting for had any legitimacy then things would be different. I don't think anyone would have a problem with it if that were the case actually.....but it's not.

 

You truly think he has a lack of NFL caliber talent? Did you feel this way and say this from 2011-2014?

You seriously believe that if he didn't sit for the anthem and he got cut by the 49ers after pre-season, that he wouldn't have received another shot by another NFL team? That none of the other NFL teams would have called him to offer him a contract?
The same league that employs

Matt Cassel
Christian Ponder
Landry Jones
Matt Schaub
Dan Orlovsky

Not to mention the other legitimately talent poor qbs signed off the street after the 2015 season began.

Kaepernick wouldn't have received another offer without doing what he did, is what you're saying?

 

"We must exchange the philosophy of excuse - what I am is beyond my control for the philosophy of responsibility.

There is no obstacle in the path of young people who are poor or members of minority groups that hard work and preparation cannot cure."

--Barbara Jordan

 

I understand you personally don't feel others might be oppressed or subject to unfair treatment by some members of the police but if he agrees with those that do feel that way, why can't he speak out about the things happening to those people? (whether you believe those grievances to be legitimate or not). I figure you mean that he knows nothing as far as personal experiences pertaining to the point he made. One doesn't have to have a personal experience in order to support others who have had such an experience.

My point was his salary shouldn't prevent him from speaking up or speaking about various issues. The meme you posted basically implies that Kaepernick considers himself oppressed but he said no such thing about himself.
The oppression I believe he refers to impacts those not like him, those not lucky and /or blessed with the talent to perform at a high level in a sport and get paid for playing the sport.

Why shouldn't he be allowed to speak up for those that not in his position who he feels have been treated unjustly? (whether a legitimate cause or not) Why should his salary prevent him from doing so? Why should or would he need to experience the issue before actually speaking out about it?

 

Absolutely. In fact, I said it from the start, he's a running QB and the gimmick won't last long. It was no different with Tebow only he was a more extreme example of the same thing.

Funny enough, the reason people thought he was good was the exact same reason some people thought Tebow was good, the "just winz" crowd. They saw the 49ers winning with a stellar defense and a mediocre offense and they instantly gave the QB credit for everything that was happening.

He wasn't ever an NFL caliber QB.

Yeah, I think he might not have gotten another offer. He's truly terrible at being a QB and he's not even a "smart vet" type like some of those you mentioned who are more of mentors for young QB's than they are actual backups.

He's nothing more than a poor man's Micheal Vick or a version of Tim Tebow that can pass the ball slightly better if babied by the O coordinator.