Donatas Motiejunas now a restricted free agent, no qualifying offer for Terrence Jones

sauces: DMo retires. DD faints.

 

i think if dmo was thinking he might not come back he wouldnt be liking rockets marketing tweets

 

Per Larry Coon-

A qualifying offer automatically expires on October 1, unless it is extended by the team (which is rarely done). A qualifying offer cannot be extended past March 1. If the deadline passes and the qualifying offer is neither withdrawn nor accepted, the player continues to be a restricted free agent. The team and player are free to negotiate a new contract after the qualifying offer expires -- the deadline only affects the player's ability to accept his qualifying offer.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q44

So my opinion would be that if D-Mo doesn't get the offer he wants before Oct 1st he accepts the Rockets QO and plays here one more year to try again in FA next Summer. If it gets close to Oct 1st and the Rockets decide they actually want him for longer than one more year, I'd say they likely bump up their offer to get him to sign a multi-year agreement. However at this point they really have no motivation to do so. So Oct 1st is your key deadline if you were looking for one.

 

Well they'd have some motivation to try and sign him to a deal that is tradable, if he sticks with the QO he can't be traded.

 

Tradeable? There are currently 12 teams under the salary cap. Why would you even bring up trade value when more 1/3 of the league could just sign without giving up anything but hasn't done so yet?

If he was to have future trade value at "X" reasonable contract value than 12 teams would have already signed him to that "X" reasonable contract that they could have capitalized on.

The fact is, D-Mo's camp obviously is wanting more than the market is dictating is "X" reasonable contract value which would make him a future tradeable contract in the process. Hence why the Rockets can't and haven't signed him to a contract.

Let's get D-Mo on ANY contract first before we start talking about future conspiracy trade theories.

With precamps and training camp on the horizon next month, I suspect teams will be getting a better idea of their needs when they starting getting players into camp. D-Mo's camp is likely waiting to see if any last minute opportunities present themselves before they go back to the Rockets or vice versa and accepting the QO becomes a realistic threat. Right now there is still a few weeks for D-Mo's camp to seek out a last minute offer, and there is still a few weeks for the Rockets to wait it out. No real reason for either party to jump the gun on August 26th when they have another month to figure it out.

 

I don't think you understood what I was saying....if he signs the QO he's not tradable at any point in the season. With as many moves as Morey has made and tried to make over the last several seasons, it should be obvious why he wouldn't want a contract that's not possible to be moved or included in a trade.

 

Yet Morey had to know that it was a possibility to be in a position where accepting the QO is the best thing for Dmo . I don't know if that situation is where we are now . I think both the rockets and Dmo would be better off working for a longer deal with more guaranteed money but with some club upside .

Dmo's health is a real issue ( otherwise Detroit wouldn't have failed him ) there is a chance he could be riddled with injuries for the rest of his career . There also is a chance that he receives proper rehab and with constant treatment and caution he can manage to be mostly healthy . No one but the rockets , pistons , and Dmo knows what percentage chance of each of those scenarios playing out is .

I want Dmo on the rockets and I want him to regain his form and ultimately improve on it . I like him more than Anderson , but obviously right now his stock is pretty low and he has a monstrous uphill climb , possibly an impossible one . It worries me that he and the rockets haven't come to an agreement yet , I worry that there is bad blood despite the positive face Dmo puts forward on social media .

This guy is a gifted player who is a leader on and off the court and in our current state we should be giving him another shot like its a no brainier . Spending 20 mil on Anderson makes the money a little bit more of a concern , but maybe we are all just getting used to the new salary cap .

Regardless I hope something materializes soon , I don't like being in limbo

 

Of course the health issue is real. Now is a great time to gamble on FAs, yet DMo is still waiting. Sure, there is a possibility that there is a SNT brewing before the first deadline but there's enough money among the other teams to give DMo a significantly better offer than the QO.

I think we will see DMo as a Rox, reluctantly from his perspective, and if he can stay healthy than we will be a much better team ( as is the case with our recent acquisitions).

 

Yep, I think he will sign the QO and bet on himself for a year, or maybe he is waiting to see if the Rox will extend it beyond Oct 1st, if it expires and he becomes an UFA - maybe that is his play?

DD

 

We've been through this in the thread before. Morey has motivation to prevent DMo from signing the QO. The QO significantly lowers his trade value this year. Not only would he be a rental turning UFA, but the QO also prevents Morey from trading DMo without his approval.

 

I get the basic fact that Morey would rather have tradeable contacts than non tradeable contracts but trades have nothing to do with the DMo situation. It's irrelevant to think that trades in 2017 or 2018 are having any impact on anything right now.

The only thing the Rockets are trying to do is to get him at a low cost or let him walk if the offer is too high to match and from DMo's perspective it's to just get any offer in the ballpark he's looking to get in. If that doesn't happen in the next month it's on to plan b or c... Which one of those will be taking the QO.

 

He can't become a UFA by not signing anything. Rockets can resubmit another QO next summer and keep him at RFA.

 

Of course. That's obvious but if there are three options-

1. Raise your offer and Overpay for DMo
2. Remove the QO and let him walk for nothing
3. Get a year out of him at a low cost and take a chance on UFA next summer

It's an obvious choice for me. As you said though I know Morey would rather not be blocked in with a QO player so there is a chance he gives a legit offer at the last minute to keep him but right now there is no reason to do that. But from DMo's camp I'd think it would be obvious that taking a gamble on himself with the QO is a real option they are considering.

 

You can insist all you want that maintaining DMo as a trade asset is "irrelevant" right now, but Morey surely disagrees with you. He does not want to lose DMo for nothing. DMo signing a 1yr QO with a no-trade clause will lead to us losing him for nothing, just delayed one year.

 

I don't know if I'm shocked that DD doesn't know this or not.

 

If he returns to form, your option #3 above might actually cost more over time than signing him now.

And I don't understand your #1. How do we overpay? I'm assuming DMo is looking for offers above what we first offered (which surely is a low ball). If he doesn't find one, we meet in the middle somewhere

 

I think Morey is using this time to watch the market. He will make a decision on whether to keep the QO or give DMo a real offer that is slightly below the "market value" whatever that is.

Either way, it will be a gamble for everybody on DMo's back, positively or negatively.

 

In order for DMo to walk for nothing . .. he will need to sit out a year . . . . .March at best?

The way I read: "A qualifying offer automatically expires on October 1, unless it is extended by the team (which is rarely done). A qualifying offer cannot be extended past March 1. If the deadline passes and the qualifying offer is neither withdrawn nor accepted, the player continues to be a restricted free agent. The team and player are free to negotiate a new contract after the qualifying offer expires -- the deadline only affects the player's ability to accept his qualifying offer."

Is that he cannot become UNRESTRICTED until at the very least Next March

Am I reading that wrong?

Rocket River

 

It says above that it expires on Oct 1st unless it is extended, which rarely happens, now maybe Dmo is trying to force that - if the Rocks extend, then I see him signing the QO.

Or Morey ups his offer, doesn't make year 2 a team option and they come to terms....either way there is still no hurry on this.....

Training camp is 6 weeks away.

And that language on the QO is confusing if it expires and he is still a RFA, then throw everything I said out, and I would bet if the Rockets don't offer a bigger deal DMo just signs it on Oct 1st.


DD

 

Not quite. It means that the team cannot continue to extend its qualifying offer past March 1, even if it wanted to. The player would continue to be a restricted free agent, just without a qualifying offer to fall back on. Essentially, the team would have even more leverage over the player at that point.