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[ACA Update] The marketplace is failing

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by justtxyank, Aug 17, 2016.

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  1. Space Ghost

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    This is what you're not understanding. You're not going to get single payer for everyone in a single sweeping bill. There are simply too many people against it, namely the insurance industry. They spend billions lobbying against this, buying off any and all politicians, just as they did with Obamacare. THere are thousands of articles and "professionals" all voicing their opinion one way or another. People are going to cherry pick what they want to believe. Im not going to post my partisan articles nor will I read your partisan articles.

    For some odd reason you find me the biggest obstacle for your belief when we both agree on the same thing; The high risk pool needs attention. I am not rooting to repeal Obamacare and do nothing. You don't have to like my Medicare solution ... or equivalent. I am simply stating a single-payer for all is not going to pass. I want to be proven wrong, but it doesn't change what I believe. I am not the one making the decision.
     
  2. NewRoxFan

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    Oh, its clear.. you want to take the millions with pre-existing conditions and put them off on some public health care plan. Whether its Medicare (which is already struggling, so adding pre-existing condition patients will simply completely overwhelm it), or on some other undefined public system, the only people that benefit are the insurance companies (increased profits), and anyone else that can currently afford the private plans they have. On other words... a typical republican approach to a problem. I am surprised you didn't squeeze in tort reform.

    Admit it... you work for Aetna as a lobbyist.
     
  3. MojoMan

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    The answer to the Obamacare problems is easy. Just eliminate the individual mandate and let it unwind from lack of use.

    Let them have choice. Unless the left is against choice now, as many of us suspect.

    Then we can start work on a healthcare reform plan that actually has a chance to work.
     
  4. NewRoxFan

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    Nice try, but... the system before was not working, so "unwinding" isn't a solution.

    And the "we can start work on a healthcare plan reform plan that actually has a chance to work"? As mentioned previously... healthcare was an issue for many many years before ACA and no one seriously addressed it.

    And for all the fingerpointing and criticism of ACA, its been in place for six years... the same six years that the republican party has held majorities of both House and Senate. And in all that time they have not come up with a "healthcare plan reform plan that actually has a chance to work".

    ACA needs improvements? Yes... work on those.

    In the words of Teddy Roosevelt: “Complaining about a problem without posing a solution is called whining.” Quit complaining about ACA... come up with a solution!


     
  5. pirc1

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    So the Obamacare is having problem because too many sick people are in the plan, so the solution is to get rid of the Obamacare and let these sick people having nothing like before? Great Republican plan as usual.
     
  6. tallanvor

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    CBS put out advice on what to do if you are an 'Obamacare Orphan'

    This is essentially saying. Prepare for pain. Can we take out the 'Affordable' in the Affordable Care Act?

    Just a reminder, everyone was told this would happen.
     
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  7. NewRoxFan

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    Good advice in this OP/ED. While probably an accident you didn't include this from that article:

    But yes, it is always good to be a smart consumer. And hopefully solutions will also help us consumers. Many folks have offered some suggestions for improving ACA. What are yours?
     
  8. dmoneybangbang

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    Just a reminder, when you govern from behind and offer no solutions this is what happens.

    Perhaps Texas can ask Republican vice presidential nominee Mike Pence about his state's Medicaid expansion plan that he got approved through the Obama administration. Maybe things will work a little better by trying to make it work.....? :rolleyes:
     
  9. tallanvor

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    Not an accident. I left lots out from that article.

    Not interested in fixing the ACA. Interested in fixing the raising costs of healthcare. My solution would be to reduce the FDA to nothing more than an information source (legalize all drugs) and deregulate medical licensing. Removing barriers to entry into a market place increases competition and reduce costs.
     
  10. dmoneybangbang

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    Well to your congressmen that and tell him to actually do something....

    Otherwise... that's just a bunch of hot air and BS.
     
  11. pirc1

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    Oh the tried and true deregulation. Where is the tax cut? I am sure that would significantly reduce medical cost, lol.
     
  12. tallanvor

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    I do. by voting.

    When has the country ever deregulated healthcare? didn't realize that claiming removing barriers to entry into a market place leads to lower prices was a radical notion.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barriers_to_entry

     
  13. dmoneybangbang

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    That's cute.... So it is hot air and BS.
     
  14. tallanvor

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    u want me to call my congressman. you think this has more weight than voting? i'm confused.
     
  15. NewRoxFan

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    Good to vote, but maybe voting is not enough... especially since I suspect you always vote for candidates from the same party, and it doesn't appear they are working on the problem.
     
  16. NewRoxFan

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    Since the people you are voting for aren't fixing the problem, maybe phone calls, or letters, or other more active approaches might add to the "votes"?
     
  17. dmoneybangbang

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    Well how exactly do you expect anything to change? Like seriously....
     
  18. tallanvor

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    A politician would respond to my call out of fear of how I my vote.......

    Gotta love these responses though. That's the problem with healthcare, not enough calling of congress.
     
  19. dmoneybangbang

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    Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results.

    But hey.... If you are happy with the way things are then don't do a thing different.
     
  20. NewRoxFan

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    That's a shame, as its the current plan in place, has benefited many, and improvements could benefit more.

    OK, reducing costs is a worthy goal, and finding a way to help introduce good drugs into the market faster seems a reasonable step towards reducing costs and improving access. While I don't know if completely de-regulating is good given the examples of bad drugs rushed out to the market by some pharma companies, but there are also too many examples of people going to Canada to get affordable and effective drugs makes looking at regulations.

    I can also see where looking at licensing barriers if they are unfair barriers to doctors. Didn't realize they are a significant impact, so can you share any links to articles on how that might work?

    While reducing costs makes sense... what are your suggestions about increasing access... eg pre-existing conditions?
     

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