Have you seriously forgotten already? They were shut out of the discussion which is why there was a "pass it to see what's in it" attitude. At one point they brought on a token Republican but once they realize that they were just being used as a token and that their input wasn't respected at all and was completely ignored, they left and eventually voted against the bill just like every other Republican. The outright lie about Democrats trying to legitimately work with Republicans when it comes to non Obamacare health care reform is as bad as the "if you like your plan you can keep it" lie that so many pimped out for the president.
We must be talking about two different things.... In regards to cancer... National Cancer Institute: What does end-of-life care mean for people who have cancer?
Uh huh..... But can you help me by walking how exactly Republicans weren't allowed any input... Like do you have links and time stamps for when the door was sealed shut?
What? I'm not sure you know enough by way of how things happen to even continue this conversation. If you require someone to walk through how someone gets shut out of a discussion on a bill then you should probably stick to talking about sports.
I mean, that's almost as bad as Hillary's "Wipe? You mean with a cloth?" response to questions about her having her people attempt to wipe her email servers.
I am beginning to think the same about you.... You actually think the Republicans were unable to input anything. They simply choose NOT to.
That's EXACTLY what happened. They were allowed the opportunity to support what the Democrats were planning to do, but they weren't allowed any opportunity to make changes to what they were planning. I mean, there was already quotes posted in THIS thread about how the one Republican who was given the opportunity to support the president's plan eventually dropped out after she realized that the legislation was pre-ordained and that none of her input was being considered at all. You can't seriously have forgotten about how this went down already, are you just buying the spin without question? Is that the problem here?
They would have suggested an alternative to Obamacare, but since the Democrats didn't need ANY Republican support to pass the bill, it was never considered. Instead, Obama bought off enough Democrats with billions in pork to secure their support and they shoved the garbage legislation down everyone's throat despite the objections and suggestion that it was bad legislation doomed to fail. Now that it has failed exactly as predicted, somehow it's the fault of those who were shut out of the process. Crazy how political spin works.
This is where you partisan hack nature is revealed. What happened was that every idea that Obama incorporated into his plan, the Republicans turned around and rejected that idea. They were against any kind of legislation and their stated aim was to defeat Obama and make him look bad - not to make progress. So you should read up on your history boy before posting nonsense.
They were against the idea of Obamacare, yes. That doesn't mean that they were against any kind of healthcare reform. Obama asked them to go along with his ideas and they told him those ideas were a non-starter with them. It would be similar to a president supporting an outright ban on abortion and then being shocked that he struggles to get support for it. When you are pushing non-starters like that, you aren't ever going to get support from certain people. That doesn't mean that they just hate you, it means that the legislation you are trying to push isn't going to get any support. Ever. The president wanted it his way or the highway, and at the time he had the political capital to just say "Elections have consequences" and force his will on Congress so that's what he did. Now that it has failed, just like everyone said it would, it's no one else's fault. If the Republicans were pushing for a ban on unions donating to political campaigns, how many Democrats would support that?
This is simply untrue. Obama wanted a single-payer system. They had a plan that Newt came up with in the 90's and Romney had done successfully. So Obama said ok, he'll take their plan. Then they dumped their own plan because he adopted it. You just don't know the truth.
The most recent GOP alternative to ACA.... You would think after 6 years... the plans would be night and day different.....
Right... Ok. Let's pretend that's reality. What's the excuse for 2012 and onward? GOP still couldn't find their balls or brains to put forth anything? They still pushed that repeal boulder up an impossible hill just to keep the rubes drooling enough. Meanwhile, almost 4 years wasted.....
The single payer system was shot down by Democrats, not Republicans. When they were forced to dump it, the reason wasn't compromise with Republicans, it was compromise within their own party.....which now I guess is being spun to be Obama bending over backwards to work with opposition. There was never an attempt to work with Republicans, because they knew they didn't need their votes. They've tried many times since then to repeal Obamacare and work towards effective health care reform, they've all been vetoed by the president. Obama has never been willing to compromise with Republicans on health care, it's go along with Obamacare, or don't bother talking. What they did manage to get accomplished is cutting the annual trillion plus deficits that Obama and the Democrats were running up down to less than half a trillion dollars, cutting nearly 1 trillion worth of deficit spending a year from the initial 2009 budget that Obama voted for. The Democrats fought them tooth and nail for those cuts and said that there would be old people dead in the streets over them, but they managed to get them in anyway. They still aren't enough, but they were a nice start.
So how is it not vice versa? Don't you think it's strange that the starting point for compromise is outright repeal of ACA when the GOP doesn't even have an alternative in place? You're story just isn't adding up. No, that's what happened as America recovered from a severe economic crisis. The gubmit had to spend a bunch of money to keep the country and the global economy by extension from having an actual modern day bank run. It's been a bit since we've had one of those and I am glad we prevented it. Long story short, we spent a lot of money short term (bailouts, stimulus, etc.) and now back to just the regular bloated government we've known in the 21st century. There's still the looming baby boomer retirement that really picks up speed in 2020 where I expect another sharp increase in spending unless action starts happening.
Bobby your first paragraph sounds way Way off. I suggest doing some research into that if you are inclined to wanting to sound informed on here with your numerous posts.
Nothing about Obamacare is going to work. This has been said for the very beginning. What exactly do you want compromise on? Again, as others have tried to beat it into your skull, Democrats had the super majority. This is their baby. Quit babbling on about compromise. You have yet to make a suggestion beyond "compromise compromise compromise". You would make a great politician. I would suggest repealing this turd. Take back the expanded power given to the insurance companies. First, let people with pre-existing conditions buy into medicare (their pre-existing condition only). Raise everyones (including the poor) medicare tax to cover this offset. This alone gets us back to where we are now and bypasses the for profit insurance companies ... the way it should have been done.
BS. It's been barely 6 years of gradual implementation which is an arbitrary deadline. At the very least, ACA could provide the framework for something effective. I want solutions, that's what I want. Don't confuse me for some Democrat, as there doesn't have to be compromise. Healthcare costs were rising steeply before ACA and won't magically get less with our obesity rates and aging demographic. The Republicans could have been smart and ran on an actual healthcare reform... but look at the Republican nomination process and the state of the current nominee. I don't have much confidence in the GOP doing any better on their current course as they'll be like the dog who finally caught the van if they actually get ACA repealed. And? I guess I don't see how that excuses Republicans for showing up with nothing for a problem that has been snowballing for decades. I have made many suggestions throughout this thread if you care to browse through. They have mostly dealt with prevention as Americans must get healthier if we don't want unmanageable rising rates. As for the framework, I'm not too sure but I would have a universal healthcare tiered system that rewards decent health. Pretty vague, but that will have to do for now. The toughest part is the cost side and I am just ignorant about how to reform that. Healthcare will merely be expensive until we get our general population healthier. It may sound counter-intuitive but food is too cheap overall. When you add up the total costs, it doesn't make much sense to have food stamps and medicaid when you subsidize sugar, salty, and fatty foods.
You just don't know history at all. You have to stop making stuff up. Please, read you history before posting. I am not responsible for correcting your ignorance constantly. In the house they refused to even have a conversation about ObamaCare - so don't say there was no attempt to work with Republicans when they made it clear that they would not even discuss it. So yes Obama made a huge effort in the Senate and kept negotiating even after it was clear Republicans were going to vote against ANYTHING that came out of the committee. So stop this ridiculous narrative that you make up with no facts. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/the-real-story-of-obamacares-birth/397742/
