taking the Matrix job just would have added 1 good movie and 2 more bad movies to his resume. It's a push.
I am still wondering what dc movies were good that were negatively reviewed because they were dc? BvS was a bad movie. I only watched the extended cut and it was still a terrible movie. Some aspects were pretty good (the fight scenes were good and batman was great). But the Martha bit and the emotions were terrible. Also it made no sense that Martha was kidnapped to force a fight that was going to happen anyway. Furthermore why did superman fight back he really did not try to talk his way out of it. I really do not have a history of reading comics so I have no preference between dc and marvel. But dc just makes terrible movies.
But I thought all the people discussing in the 16 pages of the thread had already seen the movie.... All this bashing has seriously gotten silly....christ see the movie if you and make your own decision but nothing annoys me more than people bashing a movie they haven't even seen yet.....
They really are the most expensive TV episodes filmed at the moment. Feige is the show runner. In TV land that's the architect. Not the director. He's basically employing a TV model to the Marvel film universe. That's why they work. on the flip side, I mean If you're being objective you can tell that the writing is very sitcomish and the directing very generic. DC/WB on the other hand. well they've given us such classics as Batman & Robin, Batman Forever, Superman 3, Catwoman, Joanas Hex, Green Lantern, Man of Steel, The Watchman and BvS. This is a studio that knows what it's doing.
The Nolan Batman Films are still pretty sweet. Just surprises me how far the tables have turned towards Marvel since them.
Is that true though? The timeline I remember looks something like this... Iron Man 1/Hulk - Marvel lets creative do anything they want. Batman Trilogy - WB reluctantly gives Nolan full creative control. Iron Man 2/Avengers2 - Disney buys Marvel, wants control of stuff, pisses people off, runs off Favreau, Edgar Wright, Whedon, etc... Superman 1 - WB gives keys to y'alls boy, Michael Bay. I mean Snyder. BVS - WB realizes Snyder might suck and scrambles to augment creative teams. GoTG/ongoing - Disney/Marvel kind of realizes these movies work if the creative teams get more autonomy (GotG) - and now they're kind of laissez faire about control. If anything Marvel was being the Jerry Jones there for a while.
Not everything about DC is dark though. I appreciate and love the Nolan Batman Trilogy because he took the character to a place no one else did before. Gone were the outlandish make believe sets, the crazy costumes, the over the top villain acting, etc. Nolan made Batman a conceivably believable hero that could "exist" in our world. I think where WB/DC went "wrong" was to release two Superman films when they had a treasure trove of great characters (e.g. the Flash) that could have been used as a roll out to another Superman reboot. It's like WB/DC went all-in with their biggest hitters first, hoping for success, but now they're probably praying that Wonder Woman, Aquaman, etc. will save them.
From what I've been reading lately regarding production of BvS and SS, yes. WB execs have basically been telling directors what to cut out of the movies. They have been so reactionary which makes me think is the reason Geoff Johns was made head of DC Films. Of course when that happened, I think June?, it was too late to right the suicide squad ship but we should see improvements by the time Wonder Woman comes out. If not, DC is ****ed. It doesn't help either that Ayers has to basically wrote a script overnight and just roll with that and then have WB come in and change the entire movie after they see all of the reviews for BvS.
Edgar Wright, I'll give you. Were Favreau and Whedon really ran off though? Favreau is a producer on Infinity War, and Whedon wants to come back and direct a solo Black Widow outing. They've both come back for a reason. I do agree that Marvel is certainly involved in their films being produced, however. They're definitely hands on, but I think more directors are understanding it works. Whatever the **** DC calls itself doing, however, not so much. I think WW has a chance, but only because they've been seemingly very consistent about what is being done (Not to mention no Snyder). I haven't heard anything about major re-shoots regarding that film (although they could come), it certainly has potential. I want to see Justice League, and I enjoyed the trailer they released. The trailer was still very much Snyder though, and that definitely has me concerned. The next Batman movie should be great with Affleck running the show, however.
My timeline demonstrated the shift at Marvel from low-control to heavy control (guys run off), now back to a relaxed approach (happy directors and old directors returning). GotG reception = light bulb went off.
I think this occurred when Disney made a decision to have Feige report to Disney's chief instead of Marvel's CEO. After that shakeup, I think that's when Whedon, Favreau, etc. decided to come back. Best decision Disney/Marvel made imo.
I don't think when people talk about Marvel movies in here are including the Fox/Sony movies. If you want to include those, you thought Deadpool sucked? You thought Iron Man sucked? The MCU has been very good. Not every movie is spectacular, but they are all enjoyable. If you go outside MCU, there are some clunkers, but that is something Marvel has no control over.
$175 million Budget $150 million P&A (Print & Advertising WW) $50-80 million for reshoots $375 - 425 million total budget Studio's get about 50% of revenue being as they split it with theaters. So yeah it needs $800 to be moderately successful. BvS needed $1 Billion to break even.
