The problem with Hillary is that it is hard to know what she really believes - as she is a technocrat and is just moving along to do what she thinks is best from all angles. People don't like that. They want someone who they know where they stand. But Clinton is cautious and calculated. In a way, that's a good quality in a president, but it's not a likable one. She may not be the president many people want, but she will be one that it needs - at least compared to Trump.
Excellent speech. Caring but tough. Not afraid to take on Trump. I don't need her to be personable like Obama. She's smart, she's tough, she's learned from her mistakes. I would have considered voting for Romney vs. Clinton- but not guaranteed. I would have considered voting for McCain vs. Clinton- until he selected S.P. The Republican primary voters done ****ed it up. You got Trump. He, he. You made the choice so easy. You don't elect the 5th grade student when you can elect the teacher.
I'd venture to say she could get more done than Obama- she's worked with Republicans before successfully, and I'd see her doing this better than Obama.
Haven't been following the thread tonight. Has RocketsLegend complained about the democrats pandering to people with disabilities yet?
A lot of naysayers, the usual suspects. They'll throw out pandering, dishonest, probably shrill, "low energy", blah, blah, blah. Speech was great. Very Presidential. Compassionate, yet firm. Let the CF minority spew their collective Trump manhood in the thread- they need to get it out of their system b/c the DNC was light years better than the RNC- Jesus, half the speakers barely even mentioned Trump. He is a disgrace to that party. The Republicans deserve way better.
Pretty good summary of this convention from the eyes of traditional GOPers: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/conservatives-agree-dnc-was-disaster-for-gop Conservative writer Ron Fournier: Ron Fournier ✔ @ron_fournier Well done, @realDonaldTrump. You made Democrats a party of sunny patriotism and values. You sure @billclinton didn't ask you to run? 8:48 PM - 28 Jul 2016 National Review editor Jonah Goldberg: Jonah Goldberg ✔ @JonahNRO Why this convention is better: It's about loving America. GOP convention was about loving Trump. If you didn't love Trump, it offered nada. 8:26 PM - 28 Jul 2016 John Podhoretz, former Ronald Reagan speech writer and Commentary editor: John Podhoretz ✔ @jpodhoretz Take about five paragraphs out of that Obama speech and it could have been a Reagan speech. Trust me. I know. 11:15 PM - 27 Jul 2016 Fox News host Greg Gutfeld: GregGutfeld ✔ @greggutfeld if repubs had championed their principles with specifics rather than embrace autocracy - they wouldn't have yielded this turf to dems. 8:43 PM - 28 Jul 2016 Conservative blogger Erick Erickson: Erick Erickson ✔ @EWErickson For Republicans who are not social conservatives, I have to imagine last night and tonight at the DNC are having an impact on them. 8:43 PM - 28 Jul 2016 Conservative Iowa radio host Steve Deace: Steve Deace @SteveDeaceShow So most of conservative media and the GOP spent the week rooting for Russia, and now the Democrats get to rally around the flag. Dreadful. 9:31 PM - 28 Jul 2016 Conservative Wisconsin radio host Charlie Sykes: Charlie Sykes @SykesCharlie Snark aside: GOP needs to understand what is happening to them tonight… 8:59 PM - 28 Jul 2016 · Wisconsin, USA, United States Charlie Sykes @SykesCharlie Do you know how old I am? Old enough to remember when speeches like this would've been given at GOP convention… Not Dem one. Brutal. 8:34 PM - 28 Jul 2016 · Wisconsin, USA, United States Rich Galen, press secretary for Dick Cheney: Rich Galen @richgalen How can it be that I am standing at my kitchen counter sobbing because of the messages being driven at the DNC? Where has the GOP gone? 8:38 PM - 28 Jul 2016 Conservative ops veteran Matt Mackowiak Matt Mackowiak @MattMackowiak This Democratic convention has been an unmitigated disaster for the GOP. Very well produced. Unifying. Patriotic. Bravo.#DNCinPHL 9:29 PM - 28 Jul 2016 Amanda Carpenter, former spokeswoman for Sen. Ted Cruz: Amanda Carpenter ✔ @amandacarpenter I am sure hearing a lot more about God and faith at the DNC than the RNC. 10:02 PM - 27 Jul 2016 Conservative blogger AGConservative: (((AG))) @AG_Conservative Still stunned. Feel like I'm in the twilight zone. Obama just defended America & conservative values from attacks by the Republican nominee. 11:10 PM - 27 Jul 2016 Commentary editor Noah Rothman: Noah Rothman @NoahCRothman Republicans could have stopped all this. 10:09 PM - 28 Jul 2016 Daily Caller Writer Jamie Weinstein: Jamie Weinstein ✔ @Jamie_Weinstein Now an immigrant medal of honor winner? If the goal is to reach independents and conservatives uneasy w/ Trump, well done Democrats 8:32 PM - 28 Jul 2016
It's pretty likely he will try to avoid the debates, so this is a smart move and early gambit to start tweaking him now to goad him into it.
1. Clinton is a center-left politician. Exactly how much "left" or "center" she is isn't that important as to what actually gets done in a Clinton Presidency. What is more important is the precise makeup of the U.S. Congress. 2. One thing that Clinton did during her speech tonight is making numerous references to other speakers at the convention. So, the entire 4 day event is in essence "Hillary Clinton's speech." Well-planned package on the part of her campaign.
Can you imagine Hillary hitting the Donald with policy wonk during a debate? Pressing him for policy specifics or asking him simple civics questions he can't answer? His head will explode on the national stage. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/jImh4h_9JUA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Impervious to facts.
I think you're buying into the caricature of Clinton. It's pretty clear from her history that was reiterated again during the Convention that she does have some core beliefs. It is bet clear looking at her record that she does truly care about women and children. The problem has more to do with how she's gone about it. With the Clintons there is a hubris that they do feel they are exceptional people who are doing great things. As such they often get careless which explains things like Bill Clinton's affairs to Hillary Clinton's private serve. I don't think it is even a matter of caution and calculation but that she doesn't have it in her to relate to people The same way that Bill Clinton, Obama and even GW Bush can. Trump can relate to people in terms of his self aggrandizement and showmanship. If people buy into Trump's larger than life image he gets along great with them. Hillary Clinton while certainly possessing a large ego, you wouldn't run for president if you didn't, doesn't do that and probably couldn't even if she did.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The 12 percent is male reporters who wanted her to smile more. <a href="https://t.co/qVs0OVzr7b">pic.twitter.com/qVs0OVzr7b</a></p>— Jamison Foser (@jamisonfoser) <a href="https://twitter.com/jamisonfoser/status/758886797237563392">July 29, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> Trump's numbers were 58/17/25
So much for the myth of compassionate conservatism. The current GOp Might as well be the party of Dickensian England.
I feel like people didn't make a big deal out of how much McCain drifted to the right on issues between 2000-2008. Romney got a lot of crap for it, but he practically about-faced on multiple major issues. Seems like people make a bigger deal out of the whole consistency/"what does she believe?" stuff than they have with past candidates. My problem with her has been the consistently displayed arrogance, and the poor judgement calls that have resulted. But she doesn't seem like any more of a flip-flopper than a typical candidate, certainly less so than Trump.
I just noticed they held the convention in the Wells Fargo Center. Was the Goldman Sachs Dome booked?
Its sad. The Republican convention could have been as enthusiastic and as rah rah as this, were it not for the self-absorbed, crybaby, never-trump delegates who pouted and shouted and jeered every chance they got. I would have liked to have seen the RNC event as boisterous as the DNC event was. Now look, you've given the Democrats the upper hand, for now. Hillary will get the usual post-convention bounce which should pull her even or slightly ahead again in the polls. I still expect Trump to end up winning. Maybe even by a significant margin.
Amen. Wish I could totally believe her sudden change of rhetoric, but will need to see real steps showing that she actually believes her sudden turn to progressivism. After being burned by Obama many progressives have their doubts about Dem pols who have not walked the walk, hence Bernie's appeal. Hillary obviously needs the Sanders' energy and the under 45 vote, so the reason for the new rhetoric is obvious. As Jim Hightower has said Hillary does tend to go in whatever direction the wind blows. The immediate future is the rise of a progressive movement to finally challenge the near absolute dominance of the .01% which the Clintons essentially aided with their leadership of the conservative/corporate DLC faction takeover of the Dem Party. It is also possible that Hillary is returning to the twenty something year old who gave the nice graduation speech and worked for the Children's Defense Fund for a year or two. Her life since then has been devoted to getting paid and appealing to Wall Street or southern conservatives or whatever group needs to be stroked to win elections creates doubt. Those is swing states should definitely vote and work for Hillary, not just to defeat the proto-fascist pathological liar, Trump, but because there is a chance that the Hillary of last night's rhetoric might be real.
