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Wikileaks Releases Nearly 20,000 Hacked DNC Emails

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  1. JeffB

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    I don't know, maybe because the media is more interested in ratings than public service. Why did Trump get an estimated 2 billion dollars in soft-ball media coverage leading to the election? Why did the media talk over some of the DNC convention speakers instead of broadcasting their comments? Why didn't the media focus on the anti-Trump contingent at the RNC? We can play this game all day long.

    Sanders and his contingent have had their moment. The DNC story is not just that Sanders has supporters who won't stand down. I see it benefits Republicans if that is the story, but it is important to cover every angle of the convention. And I haven't seen Sanders' contingent getting ignored.

    Regarding the content of the DNC emails: just insider politics. Yes, they stacked the deck for their candidate of choice. And...? Neither party wanted their outsiders to co-opt their parties. Trump's xenophobia, fear-mongering, and white supremacy was too much for the RNC to overcome. Now the story shouldn't just be about the never-Trumpers, including prominent office holders who completely skipped the RNC. And the media had no obligation to make all their reporting about the Republicans who stayed home in protest.

    Remember: Only one candidate has asked a foreign nation to cyberattack a government official/presidential candidate and publicly release the data.
     
  2. dmoneybangbang

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    What's the big deal again?

    The RNC and DNC weren't happy populist, non-party members decided to join their respective parties.

    How do you explain The Never Trump movement?
     
  3. Deji McGever

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    Finding Russian VPNs and Russian IPs and Russian metadata in spreadsheets means the perpetrators are likely Russian. That doesn't mean it's the FSB or the GRU. Many are the firewall logs with Chinese and Russian IPs -- that doesn't mean the perpetrators are state sponsored. They might even be pro-Russian government. That does not make them THE Russian government.

    In one of the articles sirbaihu posted said that one of the IPs had been used in the past for Russian Mail-order bride scams. That doesn't sound like something a state agency would do.

    The White House has not accused the Russian government and they won't until they have definitive proof, which after months of investigation, they have yet to uncover. If the nuance in all of this escapes you, let me put it another way: it's not going to be a story about anything other than the content of the leak until those things happen.
     
  4. dmoneybangbang

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    It just makes you look like a hypocrite if the DNC leaks actually bother you.
     
  5. Amiga

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    That's a good point. If indeed from Russia, Wikileaks is now Russia's mouthpiece. Experts in 2010 said Wikileaks were no longer releasing raw data (leaks), but curating them to make a political point.


    MIT review in 2010


     
  6. Scarface281

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    Yeah like blatant favoritism within a party. From scheduling the debates to how the debates were moderated/ran. Right now, the DNC=the Clinton Campaign.

    You think Boyz II Men would generate more viewers than a live protest? :eek:

    Remember, only one presidential candidate has given a press conference this year. The other needs to wait to see what focus group studies have said before the candidate gives an answer.

    And yes, the media FOR SURE covered the anti-Trump people at the RNC. I watched CNN for both conventions. They had anti-Trump supporters on set, they went to protest shots plenty of times. Meanwhile during the DNC, I have seen a protest shot happen just once and then that's when the cut away to Boyz II Men (even Jake Tapper looked a little confused). I saw plenty of RNC speakers talked over.

    It's unfortunate how corrupt politics is now. You can say a lot about Trump, but one thing you can't say about him is that he ran a corrupt campaign. If Hillary wins, these little emails are gonna get way worse. THAT'S the downfall of the United States. Rigging will just get more blatant.
     
  7. sugrlndkid

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    And you just understate the problem with the Hillary Camp. Like a magician who is proficient at 'slight of hand'...making you focus on something entirely different... Have to say that the relentless spin cycle that the media is able to run is terrific. They managed to 'prove' that DNC was hacked by Russian actors...

    The very fact that Schultz resigned from the DNC chair proves her guilt...The very fact that Hillary hired her for her campaign...smdh. Reports even suggested that the DNC was warned of a possible breech of data a while back...failed to take necessary steps to protect their servers. And NOW conveniently blames Putin and his spies for undermining the US political process.

    NO sense of anger from the left that the DNC primaries were just a sham...As Clinton was already set to be the champion from the left. Bernie's camp got undercut from the same base that supposedly had his best interests.
     
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  8. Scarface281

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    Why? Because the Republicans may or may not have had similar things said in their emails? First I'm not a Republican. This election cycle I stripped my democrat card (was for Obama both times) because of the **** the DNC pulled on Sanders. People letting this pass because they assume that the RNC has said the same thing are just adding onto the corrupt problem we have in politics in this country.
     
  9. Amiga

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    Internal dem politics vs AMERICAN presidential election. You do not equate them, ever.

    Plus, there were plenty of people of the left that call out the DNC for their bias.
     
  10. dmoneybangbang

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    Within BOTH parties. BOTH meaning each.
     
  11. sirbaihu

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    OK, we have a corruption problem.

    Now we also have a problem of Russia tampering with our presidential election. Care?
     
  12. Scarface281

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    When people in the Clinton camp called them, it was more like:

    "The RUSSIANS did this...Donald Trump is in bed with Putin. Yes, the emails were bad and unfair to Bernie, BUT the RUSSIANS AND TRUMP..........."
     
  13. dmoneybangbang

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    "Never Trump". That was the RNC movement.

    Sanders was an independent of like 20 years who decided to become a democrat when convenient. I'm not sure why you think the DNC owes him anything when he hasn't been supporting them.

    Sanders went to far to the left and couldn't win the primaries with the rules already in place.
     
  14. Amiga

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    No, it was like, the DNC is dumb and corrupt. Plus, that's the DNC. Clinton is not the DNC.

    Again, internal politics.

    Trump is going way beyond that. You know, reaching Treason level.
     
  15. sugrlndkid

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    Doctored emails...wow...Clap clap clap...didnt realize that this the new platform by the left.

    I'd love for the FBI or other federal agencies come out and state that Russian State actors purposefully and willfully infiltrated the US political process...Please do let me know that happens. Keep living in that fairy tale land...
     
  16. Scarface281

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    Did you care when Hillary Clinton was meddling with their presidential elections? I like how you just sweep away our corruption problem in politics like it's no big deal. This is a "those in glass houses...." situation. We have so many things wrong on our own soil yet you're worried about Russia like it's 1970. I'm glad the Russians are making Clinton the most transparent candidate in history.
     
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  18. sirbaihu

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    Yep, I basically don't care about the DNC stuff. It's true. I want Trump to lose. Because even if EVERYTHING you say about Clinton is true, she's better than Trump.

    Further, Russia making moves to influence our election is very alarming. Trump's response to it is also very alarming.
     
  19. okierock

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    Trump is saying that he hopes Russia finds the emails that Hillary Clinton "lost" that belong to the American Government. It would be treason if he was asking that they hack the US but it certainly isn't treason to ask that they hack someone's personal email server now is it?
     
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  20. Amiga

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    Sorry, what he said is not defensible. It is reaching treason level. He just isn't stable and have no regards for the consequences of what come out of his mouth. Not what we want as head of a state.
     

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