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Wikileaks Releases Nearly 20,000 Hacked DNC Emails

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  1. JeffB

    JeffB Member

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    What has me shaking my head is that even if all this FoxNews spin was 100% true.... it is ****ing Trump. And the Trump option for president ( just keeps getting) far worse for our nation.

    Clinton has been proven to be nothing more than an American politician. She accepts money. Has ties to party insiders. So what? Put that on FoxNews with a "D" next to her picture and suddenly she is taking bribes, corrupting elections, etc. She has taken **** off Republicans since the 70's. Still standing.

    Now about this Trump guy and his most recent foot-in-mouth in asking a foreign nation to cyberattack our nation... (notice how you don't have to spin it. The mother****er said it in his rambling press conference during with he further dodged releasing his tax returns)
     
  2. SamFisher

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    Umm...I don't even know what most of these things are because I don't read right wing nut job conspiracy p*rn - I tuned out during the "Clintons murdered Vince Foster" era - I guess you didn't...most mainstreamers don't really believe these things however.

    Wiht respect to the email kerfluffle - the entire affair has been rigorously investigated, there is no "there" there....I agree with James B. Comey on this that nothign remotely related to crimes occurred. I know this upsets you that this is true, but it's what impartial bodies found.


    Finally....TRUMP, lol.
     
  3. sirbaihu

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    FoxNews
    Report: DNC hackers left evidence trail with ties to Moscow

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/50506900...nce-trail-with-ties-to-moscow/?#sp=show-clips
    skip to 1:03, Bill Gourley, Cognito Corp

    ABCNews
    New York Times
    Daily Beast
    ThreatConnect
    All Roads Lead to Russia

    https://www.threatconnect.com/guccifer-2-all-roads-lead-russia/
     
  4. Granville

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    The Wiki-Leaks proved the DNC was conspiring against Sanders to the benefit of Clinton. It was so obvious that DWS was asked by Obama to step down. Even more obvious and certainly forming a connection to Hillary was her immediate decision for DWS serve as honorary chair of the campaign's 50-state program. Well we can all agree, even Obama, that what the DNC was doing was awful and DWS being the face of that org had to go. Clinton chose to bring DWS's disgrace and scandal in to her campaign. Line willfully drawn, sir.

    Again, the DNC says you are ignorant when it comes to Hillary. Based on that, yes you would totally ignore reality and buy in to distraction.
     
  5. JeffB

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    Adding to this:


    "Second, stolen documents leaked in an influence operation are not fully trustworthy. Deception operations are designed to deceive. The metadata show that the Russian operators apparently edited some documents, and in some cases created new documents after the intruders were already expunged from the DNC network on June 11. A file called donors.xls, for instance, was created more than a day after the story came out, on June 15, most likely by copy-pasting an existing list into a clean document."
    http://motherboard.vice.com/read/all-signs-point-to-russia-being-behind-the-dnc-hack

    It is ****ing Russia. Of course they doctored the emails. The release can't be trusted and Wikileaks should know better than to trust the Russians.
     
  6. JeffB

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    DWS stepped down, not because her actions were so awful, but so the story could die. Of course, we all know this. But right-wing-nut-topia requires this be spun as if Clinton threatened our national security by asking some hostile, rival foreign nation to cyberattack our country and publicly release the data they find. Oh, wait....
     
  7. Scarface281

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    Surely wouldn't be favorable to Trump (as in the RNC would have been completely against him in the emails most likely). But this is one of the two excuses I have seen (the other blaming the Russians). Really wish Democrats could own up to the garbage that's in the emails instead of deflecting.

    DWS was the clear sacrificial lamb in this whole thing which is why she immediately was put at the top of the Clinton campaign. She still wanted to speak on Monday but was forced not to because the boos would have been too loud. Btw, they are still booing at the DNC tonight but they raise the music volume to drown it out (according to a CNN reporter on the floor).
     
  8. sirbaihu

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    Hello????? Jesus ****ing Christ you have your head shoved so far in the sand.

    FoxNews
    Report: DNC hackers left evidence trail with ties to Moscow
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/505069002...#sp=show-clips
    skip to 1:03, Bill Gourley, Cognito Corp

    ABCNews
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    “This was absolutely not an amateur operation … When you look at the totality of all those pieces and you put them together, it kind of paints a really good picture of who the actor was,” Michael Buratowski, the senior vice president of cybersecurity services at Fidelis Cybersecurity, told ABC News Monday. “I come from a law enforcement background, and it’s [about being] beyond a reasonable doubt. And I would say it’s beyond a reasonable doubt … I’m very confident that the malware that we looked at [was from] Russian actors.”
    http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ry?id=40863292

    New York Times
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    American intelligence agencies have told the White House they now have “high confidence” that the Russian government was behind the theft of emails and documents from the Democratic National Committee, according to federal officials who have been briefed on the evidence.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/27/us...-dnc.html?_r=0

    Daily Beast
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    The FBI suspects that Russian government hackers breached the networks of the Democratic National Committee and stole emails that were posted to the anti-secrecy site WikiLeaks on Friday. It’s an operation that several U.S. officials now suspect was a deliberate attempt to influence the presidential election in favor of Donald Trump,
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ald-trump.html

    ThreatConnect
    All Roads Lead to Russia
    https://www.threatconnect.com/guccif...s-lead-russia/

    Russia meddling in a U.S. election is much more important, to anyone with a damn brain.
     
  9. JeffB

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    Democrats do own what is in the emails. The DNC wanted Clinton and not Sanders. What is there to own? They internally pushed for their candidate of choice in their party, just as Republicans tried to prevent the xenophobic Trump from co-opting their party. And the emails show this. The DNC didn't want the socialist to win. They wanted the more capitalist candidate to win. Period. Now if the DNC tried a campaign of voter disenfranchisement, tried to prevent voters from accessing polls, tried to purge voter rolls, interfered in the presidential electoral process.....

    There nothing to blame Russia for other than trying to influence our election. The isn't deflecting. That is a foreign nation cyerattacking our nation and trying to influence our election. And a major party candidate calling for more!

    I have a problem that people are deflecting form the foreign attack because the event doesn't benefit their team of choice. Nation before party.
     
  10. Scarface281

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    Okay? Again blaming the Russians or saying the RNC did it too (no email leaks though) doesn't change what was in the emails, nor does it change Hillary deleting emails after being subpoenaed. For goodness sake, we have over three decades of corruptness around Hillary Clinton yet people want to act like Donald Trump would be the most dangerous person ever in the White House.
     
  11. sirbaihu

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    Fine, Dude. You worry about Hillary, I'll worry about Putin.
     
  12. dandorotik

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    No need to be insulting. I did not insult you directly, so I would expect the same of you in return.
     
  13. sugrlndkid

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    Isnt it so convenient to suggest that Russia and its covert ops were the reason for this hack?

    What is going to happen when those that did commit the hack are NON Russians...Its going to make a ton of people look stupid.

    Regardless, who hacked the DNC shouldnt matter as much as the contents of the hack...which clearly mark a pattern of arrogance by those in the highest positions in the democratic party.
     
  14. JeffB

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    Of course she was the sacrifice. So the media and Sanders could move on. So what? DWS got the post with Clinton because the DNC did not see her in the same light you are spinning it. The boos are of course there because Sanders supporters are still feeling the burn. This group of people will boo till the end. That's not news or eventful.

    The reality is that Obama had grown tired of DWS and didn't want a head up confrontation. You only have to read a few liberal publications to get the story. Other Democrats has grown worn of the expansion of New Democrat-style conservatism in the party, but didn't want to fight a public war over it in light of the threat posed by Trump and because Obama has generally poo-poo'ed public spats. Sanders had no qualms with having the public fight. Because he is a Democratic Socialist.

    Got anything else? Maybe something on a foreign nation cyberattacking our nation and trying to influence our elections? What does Russia gain by trying to help one candidate win and what do they fear in the other candidate?
     
  15. sugrlndkid

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Democrats are now accusing Russia of manipulating our presidential election... exactly what DNC was caught doing. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DNCleak?src=hash">#DNCleak</a></p>&mdash; Dr. Jill Stein (@DrJillStein) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/758392155408769024">July 27, 2016</a></blockquote>
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  16. sirbaihu

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    This is the problem with Trump people: if Russia is influencing an American election, they don't care. And they think they are voting for safety. . . .
     
  17. JeffB

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    Ummm... read. Read news. Read responses by those in US government who have dealt with foreign policy. No suggestions being made. The evidence is there. It is in the metadata. Especially in the doctored emails.

    And the contents of the emails prove that party leaders have favorite candidates. Its not like the DNC or Clinton were exposed as having ties to white supremacists or that they asked a foreign nation to cyberattack one of the candidates (who is a government official) and expose the data to the public.
     
  18. Scarface281

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    What is there to own? Really? How about the softball answers at the debates for Hillary? How about her getting both the opening and closing statements at some debates? What about the off times they scheduled the debates? There is plenty more there. This kind of thing comes with the Clinton machine, which is why other Bernie supporters aren't going to vote for her.

    Answer this: why didn't the media report on the hundreds of Bernie supporters that walked out after Hillary was nominated? Why do they cut away from live reporters outside in the middle of protests to show Boyz II Men performing? Which was more important to cover?

    If there were classified government information in those 33,000 emails then maybe Hillary should not have deleted them. If their personal then it's not a foreign attack. As for the hacked emails, maybe the DNC should have taken the right measures when they were warned months prior?

    If Putin wants to be friendly with the US, then I'm all for it. Much rather that than be enemies with Russia who are closer to China than they are us. It's like people WANT to be enemies with Russia because of Cold War beef. Maybe it's time to evolve from that. You make it sound like we have to go to war with Russia.
     
  19. JeffB

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    How date the DNC try to influence the DNC convention nominating process! for all those who like to play false equivalence... Here is your chance to draw equivalence and be accurate.

    Now where did Clinton ask Russia or China to hack Trump or the RNC or and Republican in our government and release the data to the public?
     
  20. sirbaihu

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    Glad you are focusing on the big issues :rolleyes:
     

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