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Melania Trump Earns an "F" for Plagiarism

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by sirbaihu, Jul 19, 2016.

  1. dc rock

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    Lazy campaign whose leader is an undisciplined, impulsive slob. A complete embarrassment to the Republican Party and American politics, in general.
     
  2. vlaurelio

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    Are plagiarism, intellectual property, honesty, responsibility, and accountability important to you?
     
  3. arno_ed

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    People are focussing on the unimportant things.not on the crazy ideas and lack of actual plans. Just as Trump want them to.

    Focus on the crazy things Trump is saying. Not on how similar the speech of his wife was to the speech of Michelle Obama.
     
  4. dharocks

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    The crazy crap that Trump's spewing isn't news. He's been doing it for a year now. It's what got him the nomination, and it's what's going to get him smoked in November.

    This is news. It's yet another example of his complete inability to competently run a campaign, which could be taken as a direct reflection of how he'd run an administration.
     
  5. sirbaihu

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    Nice! "Like the shot clock, you're above the game."

    But can Trump be that chessmasterly? This just feels like shoddy workmanship. A quick counterfeit.

    Let's hope Trump's proposals get adequate scrutiny. It may be that, since he is so cynically just dishing out quick product rather than discovering principles, he doesn't really care to do all the crazy stuff he mentions. He's just saying whatever, basically.
     
  6. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    What do you see as the similarities between running a campaign (essentially a marketing campaign) and being president of the united states?

    I hear this a lot and don't get how one has to do with the other. In fact I'm often critical of the election system because the type of person who wins that game is usually exactly the type of person you don't want running your country IMO.

    I think Trump is a joke, but this whole thing is a media cash cow, nothing more. None of these people write their own speeches and that should be bigger news than one ghostwriter emulating/copying another.
     
  7. dharocks

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    Trump promised to bring in great people, the best people, that you'll be be amazed at the people he brings in to Make America Great Again. Meanwhile, he can't even bring in a decent speechwriter.

    The Donald has no experience in politics, and he's campaigning on the promise that his alleged track record as a managerial genius will turn the country around.

    If you're trying to sell people on the idea that your ability to successfully manage an organization is your greatest qualification for POTUS, why can't you manage a half-way respectable campaign apparatus?
     
  8. likestohypeguy

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    I used to do that all the time on the guitar and piano. Every time I would "write" a masterpiece, my revisions would take it from sounding kind of like, to exactly like a song that already exists, without realizing it.

    Stuff sticks in our memory without knowing where it came from, or even that it's
    there.
     
  9. leroy

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    I could see that from a sentence or theme...but not word for word in multiple paragraphs.
     
  10. Jugdish

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    Yesterday, all my problems seemed so far away...
     
  11. Rashmon

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    It really is disheartening to witness so many people willing to compromise their intellectual integrity to support such a completely unqualified boob.

    Oh, I say and I say it again, ya been had! Ya been took! Ya been hoodwinked! Bamboozled! Led astray! Run amok! This is what He does....
     
  12. sirbaihu

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    Come on now: he can't get a simple speech done right without immeasurable unnecessary hassle--a fifteen-minute "my husband rocks" speech. It's as softball as it gets. This task is like answering "2+2=?" in terms of presidential responsibilities.

    What this says about Trump is that he continues to be exactly who we thought he was. If you go to Trump Tower you'll see some fake Roman statues, stuff that looks expensive and classy but actually it's just a cheap imitation. The reason he does this is because that is how he has succeeded: dish up some crap for the customers and see if they swallow it and keep moving and dish more crap. It's worked so far. But you can't just declare bankruptcy as president or shut stuff down if it flops or just say "It's fabulous. Get over it."

    Trump's team humiliated Trump's own wife. You think that was the plan? No, they just suck at what they do.
     
  13. JuanValdez

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    Eh. I made my decision a long time ago. There's no need for me to focus on any consequential thing Trump might say. I will be in opposition forever. So, isn't it better to focus on the things that give me the most entertainment?

    I don't think the issue is the similarities but the differences. A campaign is a much smaller job. It's an easier job. A campaign has more elements you can directly control. A campaign is less dynamic. A campaign doesn't have direct consequences on the fortunes of your country and the lives of millions of people. So, if you can't do this little job, why should you be trusted with a bigger job? I wouldn't trust Trump to manage a Dairy Queen.[1]


    1. Credit to Mark Cuban, 2002, for the colorful zinger.
     
  14. fchowd0311

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    Trump only hires THE BEST people!
     
  15. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Would not be surprised that the speech writer was setting her up, I mean she copied Obama and Rick Rolled in the same speech.

    Sounds like a guy/gal trolling Trump.

    DD
     
  16. Deckard

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    A great post that really sums up Trump. Kudos!
     
  17. Surfguy

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    It's hard to believe it wasn't intentional sabotage from someone on the speech writing team. I don't have much of an opinion on Melanie at this point. Obviously, she's foreign and English isn't her first language. But, she seems like nothing more than a trophy wife to me. I have a hard time listening to her spout off about values and such. And, it looks even worse when they are not even her own words. So far, I can't take Melanie seriously as a first lady. She could have won over everyone with that speech. But, it turned into a total joke. The Trumps remind me of the Kardashians more than anything. They should have their own reality show so we can all laugh at them...but I honestly don't want to be laughing at them while their family holds the highest office in the United States. It's a serious role and Donald already looks like a buffoon who doesn't belong there. I'd rather have Jimmy Fallon playing Trump as president than Trump as president.
     
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  18. JuanValdez

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    I don't know why I keep seeing this sentiment. How many people do you suppose saw this speech or should have seen this speech? Melania says (now) she had a team of writers. Maybe one guy put it in as sabotage, but why didn't anyone stop it? I don't know in the ins and outs of Clinton's campaign, but I'm betting they run their crap through a plagiarism checker before making important speeches. After the plagiarism scandal Barack Obama had in 2008, and Biden had in the 80s, and a number of other incidents besides, I would think it was standard operating procedure by now to do this. Apparently, people are doing it to the opposition's speeches. So, even if it was sabotage, a good team would have caught it before it went live.
     
  19. adoo

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/us/politics/melania-trump-convention-speech.html?_r=0

    It was Jared Kushner, Mr. Trump’s son-in-law and top adviser, who turned to two high-powered speechwriters, who had helped write signature political oratory like George W. Bush’s speech to the nation on Sept. 11, 2001, to introduce Ms. Trump.

    The speechwriters, Matthew Scully and John McConnell, sent Ms. Trump a draft last month, eager for her approval. Weeks went by. They heard nothing.

    it turned out, Ms. Trump had decided she was uncomfortable with the text, and began tearing it apart, leaving a small fraction of the original. at one point she turned to a trusted hand: Meredith McIver, a New York City-based former ballet dancer and English major who has worked on some of Mr. Trump’s books, including “Think Like a Billionaire.” It was not clear how much of a hand Ms. McIver had in the final product.

    Ms. Trump's quiet plan to wrest the speech away and make it her own set in motion the most embarrassing moment of the convention:
    word-for-word repetition of phrases and borrowed themes from Michelle Obama’s speech at the Democratic convention eight years ago.​

    It reinforces dominant themes of Mr. Trump’s campaign that still linger from the primary, which his team has struggled to change: a deliberately bare-bones campaign structure, a slapdash style and a reliance on the instincts of the candidate over the judgments of experienced political experts, like Mr. Scully and Mr. McConnell.

    The two original speechwriters were not aware of how significantly the speech had been changed until they saw Ms. Trump deliver it on television Monday night, along with the rest of the country.
     
  20. Realjad

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    Michelle Obama actually plagiarized the speech from Elizabeth Dole

    http://gos.sbc.edu/d/dole.html

    2 wrongs don't make a right? or...


    Would that be the most epic Trump card of all time?

    After waiting for the media to spew their hate for a few days.. to come out and say that they didn't plagiarize and steal from Michelle Obama, but actually took it from Elizabeth Dole with their permission. Considering Melania in her speech acknowledged Bob Dole it would make complete sense

    If they they did that, hands down one of the most epic political stunt/comebacks ever
     

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