Good thing she missed the last line in Collin's quote. btw, I am sure these are all common phrases that show up all over the place.
All of those are valid issues to point out. Debating the finer points of whether this is plagiarism or not is fairly pointless and meaningless. One could argue that it wasn't Democratic content as these phrases are all extremely common...but it is still very bad PR that it mimics a Democratic speech, from the same scenario. One can't argue whether this is a terrible faux pas for the Trump campaign, or that it indicates a lack of proper organization and polish. Those things are far more important. I would add that is seems much of the Republican media seems to have been putting forward some of the arguments I had been in the other thread. This helps explain the level of ire I was getting. Let me just put out there that I don't watch the Republican media much, if ever, so if by chance they are saying anything that I am saying, it is purely coincidental. I dislike repeating media mantras no matter which side they come from.
2008 called. It wants its story back. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-accused-of-plagiarism-in-speech/ <iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/UgfGTXaqoWQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
If you're putting it out there on Twitter, and you're a public figure, I guess the safe thing to do is just acknowledge the source. You know, I've written emails to job-search clients with things like, "Ask not what your employer can do for you, ask what you can do for your employer."- but I think what I usually do is say something like (apologies to John F. Kennedy) after it. Maybe not every time. Let's turn the focus back to Trump and his policies- way more important to attend to those.
Yes, which Deval Patrick acknowledged and Obama apologized for. Where's the Trump camp's apology? Oh, it's missing b/c of course he never admits he's wrong.
Original or not, the fact that it gets mindless applause in two different conventions is a testament to how vapid and empty the content of the speech was both times it was delivered. It essentially said very little that's memorable.
Cheering on and applauding vague platitudes is what these party conventions are all about! ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!?
All of those are valid issues to point out. One can't argue whether this is a terrible faux pas for the Trump campaign, or that it indicates a lack of proper organization and polish. Those things are far more important. I would add that is seems much of the Republican media seems to have been putting forward some of the arguments I had been in the other thread. This helps explain the level of ire I was getting. Let me just put out there that I don't watch the Republican media much, if ever, so if by chance they are saying anything that I am saying, it is purely coincidental. I dislike repeating media or campaign mantras no matter which side they come from.
I can point to multiple comments where I have bashed Trump. Can you do the same with regards to Obama?
Don't really comment on Obama or commend him much. I have a rather neutral opinion of him. I only defend him against absurd commentary about him being a 'race baiter'.
Perhaps you missed that Patrick encouraged the use... you would be closer if you brought up Joe Biden, though that was many years ago. Or John McCain. Or Ben Carson. Or Rand Paul. Much more recent. Oh wait... I guess you wouldn't be interested in examples of well known Republicans accused of plagiary...
I may seem prudish, but nabbing plagiarism is part of my job as an English professor. It happens every semester; I give a grade of 60% or 0% depending. This one would be a 0% because it shows intent to plagiarize. It is a common technique to take a quote and change a few words, and changing a few words shows that it wasn't simply an accidental omission of quotation marks. What I don't like about plagiarism is that it shows bad faith of the students--they are trying to shirk the process--and it shows their intent to deceive me. In other words, plagiarism is a mark of disrespect to your audience.
You're right I wouldn't....cause I think all of them are non stories. That's been my position from the beginning. None of it addresses any real problems. Just politics as usual.
You probably also missed where i also said its not important except for the humor of the situation (come on... you have to laugh at all the memes that have been circulated). I also said I don't think its appropriate to attack the families of the candidates/politicians. But I also pointed out it was the first night of the convention, and the other speakers were uninteresting and didn't say anything interesting (except for the pastor who referred to Hillary and Democrats as "enemies"... what a regretful statement by a man of God). As the convention progresses, trust me, there will be more interesting discussions around Pence, Cruz, and Donald Trump's misstatements...
Ahh, yes that background helps. We were having a semantic debate over something that held deeper meaning for you. You will likely appreciate this story then. A friend of mine found a very old book in the college library, from around 1865 or something, and copied a couple sentences out of it in a paper he wrote. The professor highlighted those sentences, and then referenced the exact page it came from, from memory (this was before the Internet). It was apparently a favorite tome of his. My point here, too. It isn't that it is plagiarism, or that it isn't...it is that it points to a slew of other issues, which are more important.
Plus, you're doing them a service. Many of these clients I work with have to develop marketing communications, client correspondence,and other business-related documents. Plagiarizing in these instances can get them fired. So can lying on their resumes. I can't tell you how many times I've been asked to include something on a resume even though it isn't true. You know, "well, I have 100+ hours, you can just put I have a degree, right?" Amazing. So, by being insistent on holding them accountable for plagiarism, rather than sweeping it under the rug, you're preparing them successfully for the workplace. Kudos.
