Sure they concluded...after the fact. In the moment it happened though, they praised the "humanitarian treatment" out soldiers received. It was probably an effort to keep the situation calm...but also could be seen as another signal of weakness as well. You are thinking like an american who likes Obama. Not everyone in the world thinks that way.
Most outside the US love Obama because he's such a weak president. They love it when the most powerful country can be slapped around and Obama gives them that.
More response to your edited post: As I said, its a worst case scenario, and you're probably right that our military has contingencies for the nukes. And if that IS the case, I'm not sure what Obama's response would be to a takeover of Incirlik and a hostage situation with our people there. It would certainly be scary.
No, honor killings are up in Turkey and have been for well over a decade. There is on average more than one a day just in the Capitol. An average of nearly 3 a day in greater Turkey. So I don't know where "Arab" came from. It has little to do with being "Arab"; although I am sure it makes you feel more superior to believe so. There are 9 million guns in civilian hands in Turkey, far more in the hands of military civilians. The idea that no one in the mob had a gun and that is why he lost his head is absurd; then again you specialize in the absurd. The amount of guns in the USA is irrelevant, other than being your typical bull**** defacto inference that some other place is some how worse or more violent. I am not conflating anything, you are. Erdogan has supported ISIS. He has and continues to remove secularism from Turkey. He is a scumbag. Another gem you dropped a few days ago... "Your government did have something to do with the coup.".... Just like everything else you post, "If I say so, it is so".... No one is falling for it and when that doesn't work, you claim racism or nationalism. From your absurd revolutionary rants about Bernie Sanders that you got from reading Marxist literature, to your complete lack of objectivity... You are on par with Muhammad Saeed al- Sahhaf. Just be honest with your opinions and stop being passive aggressive, it will save everyone a lot of time.
Obama wouldn't hesitate and he would have wide spread support at home and in Europe if Erdogan went that far. There is also a strong minority of secularists in Turkey that would love nothing more than to put Erdogan and extremist Islam into the ground.
You guys are jumping the gun, Turkey's traditional foe is Russia. It's a long step from NATO member to non-aligned.
Erdogan as a Turk is stubborn but willing to denounce his personal feeling and pride to serve a greater means for his nation as he proved it before .he will do the right thing.this what great leaders do
I'm no fan of Erdogan but this is paranoia. If Erdogan leaves NATO and especially does something as stupid as try to seize Incirlik he's done. Erdogan has been trying to make nice with some of his neighbors but many of them aren't fans of him either. Turkey has always occupied a very strategic position and if Erdogan goes like Iran in 1979 both NATO and Russia will have a very large interest in keeping the Bosphorus from becoming a choke point.
I recognize the paranoia of such a situation. As I stated at the beginning, this is thinking forward to a "Worst Case Scenario" situation...not necessarily the most likely scenario. With that said... Erdogan may be a scumbag, but he's not stupid. He knows all the above and IF things were status quo, your above scenario would be correct. That's one potential outcome. Lets game out another scenario. (Tin Foil hat on) Imagine Erdogan has decided being part of NATO and cow towing to the United States has limited his ability to hold power indefinitely or his desire to make Turkey a more Islamic nation. Imagine for a moment he has secretly negotiated with Putin and this coup was actually an attempt to consolidate power in his own country in order to create a crisis that would justify Turkey "flipping" loyalties from NATO to Russia in return for guarantees of backing. Don't you think Russia would want something like that? Don't you think that maybe they have even approached Erdogan with some similar offers? As you said, Russia has ALWAYS desired the ability to insure its Black Sea Fleet safe access to the Mediterranean Sea and the ability to secure its own coastline. Certainly Russia would love for something like this to happen. Would they be willing to make a deal to back Erdogan if something like the seizure of Incirlik occured? I think its certainly very possible. (Tin foil hat off)
Sounds like Erdogan is taking a page from the military rulers of "democratic" Egypt. Throw everyone in jail or execute them, if you can. At the very least, take away their means of making a living for their family and themselves. Erdogan is busy making himself an absolute ruler. I feel sorry for the Turkish people.
So I receive an email newsletter from "Dialogue Institute Austin," I honestly have no friggin' clue who they are, how they lean, etc. But somehow I'm on the email blast. So they had an update on Turkey this morning and this segment was part of it... Holy cow! He's detained/arrested like 20,000+ already. I usually don't jump on conspiracy theorist bandwagons, but something just doesn't seem right to me. I've never trusted Erdogan and have always thought he was trying to turn Turkey into a two-faced Pakistan. I thought it's possible the military, like they have in the past, was trying to regain control to ensure secular democracy...but with reports of a list of 6,000 suspects prior to the coup attempt, and now all of these arrests on top of already alarming civil rights abuses by Erdogan's administration, have made me think it's POSSIBLE Erdogan was in on this, or knew much earlier than he gave on abt the plot, so that he could stop it and use it to his advantage. This coupled with the fact that he has been pushing for Parliament to readopt capital punishment...he's going to execute all of his political rivals. At least that's what I predict and fear. Also, had anyone else heard this regarding the Incirlik base in Turkey? http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/19/politics/us-nuclear-weapons-turkey-attempted-coup/index.html I'd like to know if that was for our protection or what? Obviously nobody here KNOWS, but does anyone have any guesses as to why they would cut off power and surround the base? Perhaps to ensure the safety of nuclear weapons?
There's no way such a huge number of people could be arrested/detained so quickly after the "attempted coup," assuming the numbers are true. Not unless an "enemies list" was already prepared. Erdogan is attempting to gain absolute power.
Sorry, I don't follow. What's your position? That's what I thought. Do they even have the manpower to do those in a month, let alone 5 days without some significant prior planning.
Erdogan is opportunistic. He is clearly taking advantage of the situation. It will be interesting to hear how his rhetoric toward the US evolves. I don't hesitate in saying or thinking this, but, if we (the US) wanted to, we could probably turn Incirlik into another Guantanamo Bay.
Faked a coup according to who ! Irrational thinking mixed with personal agenda blanketed some opinion . What you see in this thread is...a paranoid way of thinking hardly any substance . Not sure why CFs confident they knows exactly every single global subject and they are definitely certain
