Three Baton Rouge police officers shot near BRPD HQ

Laws and regulations "strip liberty from people to protect them" all the time. Automobile laws have been mentioned. Even Constitutional rights-- free speech and, yes, gun ownership-- can be legally restrained and regulated. In order to constrain these rights, all that a government has to do is to pass a law that satisfies the legal tests developed via the relevant Supreme Court cases.

For example, there is a reason why that during the RNC, the exercise of First Amendment rights to assemble and protest is allowed, but regulated in terms of place and manner.

Rights and liberty are not a simplistic black and white matter that some jingoistic people think they are. One can, of course, debate the reasonable scope of gun regulation. However "because liberty!" is not a sufficient argument in this discussion.

 

What you don't understand, is that isn't relevant. Rights are rights. It doesn't matter if there are negative repercussions as a result of people having rights, they still get to have those rights. People were murdered as a result of the right to peaceful assembly in Dallas, should we ban that?

Try to work with me here kid.

 

Anyway, as fun as the old gun control discussion always is, let's get back on topic.

 

Oh, the ole rights are rights argument. Well, there ya go.

So the murders weren't a result of the AR15 wielding terrorist, it was a result of the right to peaceful assembly... underscore the word... peaceful. Good to know.

Your ability to throw out nonsensical arguments and then stand behind them in a supremely arrogant fashion is just really impressive. Kudos Bobs.

 

Don't run away now that you're out of BS arguments, Bobs. Post your truck murder vs gun murder stats.

 

I disagree that that is even a remote possibility in my grandchildren's lifetime, and I don't even have grandchildren yet. I guess I have more faith in the US military than others.

Don't give a **** about semi-autos like those. Like I said, "not your hunting rifles". The only reason you'd need one of those is for hogs, and I'd have no problem getting a Federal license to own one if needed.

I will admit that they are fun as hell to shoot, especially AKs.

You and I differ on the meaning of "well-regulated". That's cool, but we'll never agree because I think you are wrong

 

Well the shooter had military training and was an Iraq War veteran.

Thank, Dubya.

 

They'd be every bit as dead if the terrorists used a different weapon. Fixation on the tool is for fools. The 80 dead people in France shouldn't be blamed on the lorry any more than the 8 cops killed in Dallas and Baton Rouge should be blamed on the rifle.

Of course, when people like you want to push an agenda....well here we are. You wouldn't support a poll tax, but you'd do essentially the same to firearms if you had half a chance. It shows that you are ideologically inconsistent and as such it's probably a waste of time continuing conversation with you.

It's not that I'm running out of arguments, it's that I'm realizing that I'm talking to an ideologue who refuses to see anything that isn't the party line he's been given.

 

Faith in the military? To do what? A coup in response to the stripping of civil liberties by the civilian leadership? Not a chance. They follow orders and there's no chance they'd go against the civilian leadership.

If the civilian leaders strip the rights of the people, they'll stand by and help them do it. It's how it works.

 

It sounds like you're saying that no weapon should be off limits, regardless of its lethality. Or is there a well-defined limit, in your view, and if so what would it be?

I'm also curious what are the statistics on homicide by vehicle as opposed to guns. Vehicles are highly available, more so than guns, so if your argument holds than the homicide-rate by vehicle should be higher.

 

Black cop died in this terrible attack.
Why is his death any different than the ones the blacks have been complaining about?
This black cop was murdered.

Where you at BLM? Where you at?
Disgrace

 

No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm not supporting people driving around in tanks or grenade launchers being on the streets. The problem is that in the minds of some, an AR-15 is a tank.

 

Oh horsesh!t, you paranoid b*stard.

 

Focusing on 12,000 gun murders a year is a public safety issue. Only a fool gleefully ignores those murders in favor of increasingly ridiculous arguments like a right is a right. A right is a right, 12,000 of you must be mowed down this year so I can polish up my 1911 and my AR15 while I watch American Ninja Warrior.

How many lives would a poll tax save? How many murders committed in the voting booth every year? Whose right to life and liberty was left in a shallow grave inside the voting booth? Show me your stats Bobs.

Riiiiiight. Every stupid thing you've just posted is a regurgitated laughingstock of an argument I've heard a thousand times. Lame.

I really expected more out of you Bobs. That was embarrassing even for you.

 

I've seen several of the so-called leaders denounce the violence. BLM isn't really an organization where a centralized group of leaders would denounce something like this and people need to stop referring to them as such. The movement has no stated goals or centralized leadership and while the intentions of the group are good and the methods and actions behind some of the happenings is worse.

 

They're all over the New York Times, try looking for them.

Unless you're black, you don't get the bat signal every time they have something to say.

BTW, when are you going to get out and protest the violence? Where are all the all lives matter people protesting about violence against all people? WHERE YOU AT BRO?


“I’m waiting for more information like everybody else,” he said. “I have more questions than answers”

“The movement began as a call to end violence. That call remains.”

“My prayers are with the victims of all violence,” Mr. Mckesson said Sunday.

http://www.nytimes.com/live/police-...ge/black-lives-matter-leader-calls-for-peace/

 

The complaint from blacks, and more generally from left-leaning people, is that contrary to what most white Americans believe there is still widespread racial prejudice in law enforcement and in the criminal justice system at large. Not trying to get into an argument over whether that's actually the case, but that is the complaint.

 

Oh I'm paranoid? You're the one that thinks the military would stage a coup over the civilian leadership trampling on gun rights and I'm paranoid? C'mon man.

I don't care if 480,000 a year die, it's not a reason to ban something.....unless you think smoking should be banned. People die, it's just a fact of life, it's not an excuse to give up liberty for the illusion of security.

That said, I get it, you're a liberal, you are all for stripping things from citizens and there's just no way you'll ever get me on board.

 

BLM has only lead to more deaths. Anyone who disagrees is an human hating r****d

 

Hmmm....why did we invade Iraq, again?