He is an egomaniac who overestimates himself, which will eventually be his downfall. He already had to get on his knees after trying to take on Putin, and he will learn that he cannot mess with the USA.
I'm not so sure he can't given who is running things these days. I could see an Obama apology tour coming up.
What does that even mean? What is it and the right wing with vague platitudes when it comes to criticizing Obama? Is that all they have? Vague platitudes?
First it is false to say it was as likely in Germany as Turkey 10 years ago. Second 99% of Turkish Muslims are in horror of this outcome? Based on what exactly? The choice to behead him had nothing to do with Islam? They would have shot him if they had a gun? So you are telling me out of all the people, no one had a gun? Not buying it.... and they just happened to choose to behead him?
He got a late memo from his Ayatollah Mullah so what! this is a sample of French's art in Algeria ..not long ago..,to this day the scalps of victims displayed to the public in Museums Spoiler
So because of the Algerian War, France deserves what it gets? Is this what you are trying to say, Exiled? Their cartoonists, their Jews, their coffee-drinkers, their children, their vacationers watching Bastille Day fireworks, they deserve to be blown apart, shot, or run over because of Charles De Gaulle's war in the 1960s? Please explain.
Obviously this means that the Albanians (and others) should be able to wreck **** in the Ol' Ottoman Empire, right?
Surprisingly this comes from , the thread for some reason went to French Revolution . we were comparing cruelty of war-revolution so I thought of bringing a more recent events ... not sure where you get this impression .
cruelty is not exclusively limited to certain race,ethnicity or religion as this what some posters were referring by pointing to Islam.french Revolution specifically lectured in school of psychology of some very uncharacteristic behaviours associated with civil restriction melting down not just limited to violence but stretched to how thousands of what supposed to be normal people thought of them self suddenly as the Real Napoleon .and this elimination to individual ethic led by herd action,etc ...when it get ugly it slip downhill Now for supporting who are enthusiastic of a civil war in Turkey,they are supposed to be the one explaining them self.....do they want more bloodshed to achieve what they think of it as an ideal environment ! if causes justify this...then they are no different than ISIS
But there is secularism without democracy. They are two completely different things. You dont think? Lmao what do u know? During the coup itself there were 4 illegal military jets tresspasing and every single day we have like 10 ship and nets strolling in the middle of the aegean. So forgive me that i dont care at all what some ignorant ppl here think..
You're about as low class and undereducated as it gets on this board. You give some rural Alabama fifth graders a run for their money. I seriously don't know how you find the gaul to defend the most wretched and disgusting form of Islam around. Saudi has successfully brought Islam back in time hundreds of years. Uh, congrats losers. Perhaps one day soon we'll wipe our hands of you Saudi scumbags and then you and the Iranian nuts can have yourselves a nice little blood bath. Maybe after that you guys will join us here in the 21st century.
Nationalist fervor I assume. I will say: Turkey has Russians on one border, Armenians still holding a genocide grudge, ISIS and Syria on the South threatening the world order, millions of refugees streaming through and a 50/50 split civil divide between the Secularist and Islamacist. I could see Erdogan as just wanting to hold back the chaos with centralized power. The stresses Turkey faces are massively more dangerous than the US but we still get authoritarian rhetoric, jingoism and xenophobia. It seems a pretty typical historical pattern.
Uhh, no. You obviously only started hearing about Turkey when the media told you to. There's a reason why the EU was even considering letting Turkey in, and even extremist Europeans know it. They know that Erdogan is the exception not the rule in modern Turkish history. Yes, of course they are in horror. Based on just pure logic. Just like people of any other race or religion not dedicating their lives to brutal killings. Most of those people have probably never seen a person die in front of them. The only link between Islam and beheading is that wahhabists legitimized it and your media show it to you, that's why you believe it. Wahhabists are the only people who believe Islam orders beheadings. Whoever else does it in the Middle East does it out of sheer barbarism just like other barbaric practices in Muslim and non-Muslim countries all over Africa, has nothing to do with Islam. You know, it's possible for a barbaric Muslim to do a non-Islamic barbaric thing. Yes they would have shot him if they had a gun. No one had a gun obviously. There were other people who got shot, and no one else got beheaded. Given the context and number of people, there would have been dozens of beheadings that day if your picture was accurate at all. I know that's hard to understand as an American, but the likelihood of no one having a gun is extremely extremely high in most countries in the world. FYI they slit his throat and kicked the **** out of him till his head came off after he tried to kill them with guns. Since you're idiotically implying this is somehow ritualistic to that group of people, this stupid technicality is an important detail. Erdogan and his followers are not wahhabists, if anything they are most closely said to be associated with the brotherhood. The brotherhood and wahhabists hate each other, interpret the texts differently, have different goals, want to destroy each other. It's super obvious how little you know about this stuff, do some reading please before embarrassing yourself further. Alternatively you could have your discussions with Exiled, and he's more than happy to reduce the nuance and complexity of the middle east to THAT RELIGION THAT RELIGION THAT RELIGION.
I would do some reading into Gulan, and who he was, and what he does now. Erdogan would say whatever it takes to radicalize his sheep, I don't doubt that for a second. But Gulan is planning things like this coup literally everyday for years now. Further, your government has done this several times in the recent past without the American public even having a hint about it, so to people who are facing pressure from your government this is always a realistic possibility. I think Erdogan has delusions that he can take over that base with everything else intact. What has historically kept that base secure is that the military has not necessarily been loyal to the people's president/pm, but has been loyal to protecting that base. That has changed for the first time in a long time, with some of the military deciding that it's better to support a corrupt local than a corrupt foreigner, and others preferring the financial security (these are poor people after all). That caused internal friction in the military and of course panic in the US military.
That's rich. Extremist Mathloom, who worked for a dictatorship that holds slaves, who blamed a woman that got raped in Dubai for her own rape, who wished that a 75 year old cartoonist should live in fear for the rest of his life, thinks he can judge when someone else heard about something. The only reason is Turkey's geo-strategic position. And they will not be let in. That much is for sure. The majority supports Erdogan, who is a dictator behind lots of murders and countless imprisonments. You yourself said that Saudi (a place you loved and you said you would love to live in) funds more than 90 % of Islamic literature and madrassas worldwide. What are they? Wahhabists. So there goes your "the only link" charade. Yes, it does have to do with Islam. As do honor killings. You sound like you are defending them. Saudi award to Turkish prime minister signals deepening strategic ties A Saudi award to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan for his 'service to Islam' underscores Saudi backing for Turkey's bid to take a more activist role as a Middle East power broker. http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Glob...ime-minister-signals-deepening-strategic-ties They are all assholes. It's super obvious that you keep defending Islam, deflecting, lying, attacking people of superior knowledge and intellect such as Nook. Just shut up.
Jane you ignorant slut. I just don't understand the need to add personal attacks in this forum, explain your position, rebut their position, try to use perceived facts and try to understand people motivations by looking at it from their side. Strive for truth. ya pigheaded f**kers
