Pretty much, yeah. It worked in Germany and Japan and they never really asked permission, they just told them it was going to happen. The difference of course being strong leaders vs weak leaders. Paying attention to what the new government of Iraq wanted was like listening to a toddler when they say they want to be left alone while out in public. It was irresponsible and it had terrible consequences.
I've been swamped with work and other stuff so have only had time to lurk on Clutchfans but I can see that I haven't missed anything. First off. Yet another horrible tragedy. Seeing a celebration of liberte, fraternite and egalitarite targeted brutally. It's sinister how those who want us to live in fear are targeting celebrations of life. At concerts, sporting events, nightclubs and now seaside fireworks. They want to rob us of joie de vivre and have our lives defined by fear. They want us cowering in our homes fearful of shadows and mysterious figures waiting to mow down crowds. As I've said after all of these events I'm not going to live in fear. If this is a war of cultures I'm going to fight on the side that celebrates life rather than the side that obsesses over death. This attack isn't going to keep me from going out and living life watching sports or dancing at concerts or any of the other public events that they want us to be scared from. To me the biggest FU I can give to DAESH and others is to not let them change my life.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim says a group within the military engaged in an attempted coup.</p>— The Associated Press (@AP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AP/status/754044977123131392">July 15, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
That's troubling but if it's an attempted military coup in Turkey it is more likely going to be a secular group than an Islamist. The military still follows Attaturk's vision of a secular Turkey and there have been frictions with Erdogan's more Islamic vision.
Lol terrible example. Maybe you should look at the conditions of surrender for Japan and Germany. It has nothing to do with weak verse strong leaders, that's merely an excuse you are using to support your poor policy. You want to entangle us even further... What about a permanent military base in Syria? Lebonnen? What about Africa? It's funny how your conservatives flip flopping on sovereignty and you still haven't learns to stop meddling.
Not that I expect much from you, but why couldn't the US have set whatever terms with Iraq that they wanted? The US could have easily required a permanent base in Iraq as part of terms to be allowed to establish a new Iraqi government......but they didn't. Again, weak leadership from Bush and Obama who were elected by a weak minded American public.
Ya ignoring the sovereignty of a government you literally propped up a few years ago looks incredibly stupid. Did you want a second invasion of Iraq to overthrow the regime that denied an extension?
A new Iraqi government was already formed. We gave them sovereignty. Ignoring it would be a second invasion of a regime we just created a few years back.
Why can't the US just do whatever it wants? Because of consequences. Violence begets more violence. You say we need a bigger military presence in Iraq.... To what end and for how long? What about Syria? What about Lebanon? You keep throwing out the words "strong" and "weak", but I think you mean "quagmire" and "endless war".
Further since one of the main stated reasons for the war being fought was to bring democracy to Iraq it would've looked much worse for the Bush Admin. if they then refused to allow the Iraqis to form their own government unless they agreed to permanent bases.
When it comes to setting up a new country, you either do it the right way like they did in Germany and Japan or you do it the wrong way like they did in Iraq. Things were heading the right way, and then the US abandoned them and the state has struggled ever since. You refuse to let them do it the wrong way. Letting them have a democracy is one thing, immediately letting them do whatever they want is another. Again you don't let a toddler decide what is best for them or it'll end poorly.
The circumstances of Germany and Japan are different. Do you recall how Germany was split up? Do you understand that we actually sat down with the Germans and Japanese? Who are we sitting down with in Iraq? Heading the right way when? I guess if you considered tens to hundreds of thousands of civilians deaths due to sectarian violence that began after "mission accomplished" to be a progress.... And how do we do that? Hindsight is 20/20.... so with that power where is the political will going to come from to commit our army into staying in Iraq until the "job is done the right way"?
On topic: the perp was just some divorced father of three. Small time hoodlum, weirdo. Supposedly not very religious and no known ties to any extremists. But he was originally from Tunisia. http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/15/europe/nice-france-terrorist-driver/index.html
LOL well if you payed attention to what I said, I pointed out that the leaders are weak and the public that elected them are weak minded. I know that Americans are too weak minded to do what has to be done, I was talking about what would have worked. Once upon a time Americans would take on single battles that would have 26,000 US casualties and didn't whine about it, now we have less than 7,000 US casualties in 15 years and people act like the world was coming to an end. It's obvious that Americans are far too soft to be involved in anything positive around the world, so that's why I'm fine withdrawing from the world and just accepting terrorist attacks happening every few months or so. Eventually that'll harden people back up and something can be done to fix the problems.
That's what his father says. The evidence points at him a) having been influenced by Islamist propaganda, b) having executed a playbook previously called for and published by ISIS.
Yeah, that's what I'm expecting. Wasn't trying to suggest otherwise. Any links though for more info? (Or maybe my link has updates; haven't read that page in like 3 hours.)
Drank alcohol, ate pork, never stepped a foot inside a mosque really. That doesn't make him a bad person (the other crap I've read on him does) but it doesn't make him Muslim. Good Muslims are supposed to be looking out for these people? How?
