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Dallas cops shot during protest in Dallas.

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  1. NewRoxFan

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    Almost all of the reporting on the President's speech (and the former President's speech) commented positively of how the police officers were honored.

    For example, from today's Fortune Magazine:

    http://fortune.com/2016/07/13/obama-dallas-speech/

    And from the Wall Street Journal:

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/obamas-speech-in-dallas-wins-praise-from-some-law-enforcement-officials-1468370821

    You and a few others seem to have a different opinion. Perhaps you can avoid the "babble" by providing actual quotes that show where the President "weaved in a race lecture".
     
  2. JayGoogle

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    For some people a race lecture involves saying "Black" or "White" I swear some people are so damn sensitive to ANY discussion on race.

    ANY discussion on race is "Race Baiting." just completely ignore it they'd say. Ignore that racial boundaries exist at all.

    Then sometimes they will bring in MLK and how he wanted to unite all races and how he shamed race baiting of today...when he was the ULTIMATE race baiter! That's whats so funny about this. MLK wasn't loved until after the fact. For a while there he was a divisive race baiter and not only that had some pretty unruly protests. He even said a few things that many would consider as defending these "violent" riots...
     
  3. Granville

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    Do your own research next time.....

    Like I said before.... There was this "peaceful" protest where chants of **** the Police were raining down and empowering that sniper. Watch the nightly news and see scenes of chaos with people blocking freeways, throwing rocks, carrying bats and weapons. And for what? This time for 2 incidents that they don't even know all the facts of.
     
  4. Granville

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    Not sure what my family has to do with this. Again, you brought the odds of you being shot by a cop in to this. Not sure why you are crying about it now.
     
  5. Amiga

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    The sniper acts on his own whatever crazy ideas and thoughts he had. I wouldn't lay that blame on protesters that are peaceful. I not even sure I would lay any blame on protesters that aren't that peaceful (throwing rocks).

    What the movement have accomplished is bringing their grievances to the national spotlight. That's probably an initial goal of all protesters.
     
  6. Granville

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    And I hope that you do indeed wake up and read what I wrote. Many of those protests are not peaceful and you damn well should know that.
     
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    "Weaving in a race lecture" is a different thing from being divisive or anti-cop. His speech was neither divisive nor anti-cop. But, hell yeah, it's a race lecture. And, entirely appropriate. He's the leader of our nation. And, he's speaking at a memorial of officers murdered because of tension between cops and the black community. It is his job to lead our country through this racial strife. You want him to stand there and just mourn the loss of these policemen without speaking at all about the real racial problems that have led to their murders? That'd be weak, terrible leadership. The problem here is not the president disrespecting police (since he hasn't done that at all); the problem here is some political opponents not respecting the leadership of the president.
     
  8. HillBoy

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    As an aside, this sort of thing happened a lot when I was growing up in Houston. When we were old enough to start going out on dates, we were told to always go in pairs for our safety. That's because if some HPD officers saw a car full of black teenagers, they'd stop us, make us get out of the car, make the guys lie down on the ground and watch while they "searched" our dates for weapons. That's why many like myself grew up avoiding the police. It was much safer that way.
     
  9. JayGoogle

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    Sniper didn't like BLM so he had nothing to do with them.

    People that are blaming BLM for this are trying to create a more divisive narrative that is only going to further divide the country. That much is clear. Some of them want that though.

    It was a peaceful protest and a sniper that had nothing to do with the protest hijacked it.
     
  10. Granville

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    Lay the blame on the rudderless BLM movement then. Lay it on the number of times these protests were built on a false flag like Michael Brown and pissed squarely on the Police in the process. Idiots are still using the hands up don't shoot chants at these protests.

    The problem is some of the grievances that are in the national spotlight are flimsy from the start and indeed turn out to be unfounded.
     
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    Nah, I'm blaming people on the right for their rhetoric for this personally.

    They continue to ignore a large % of the population grievances and do so proudly and then wonder why none of those people vote for them. Maybe if they were more willing to work with them they'd get some of that vote and we wouldn't have so many racial problems in the country.
     
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    His version of what lead to these murders is his opinion and that may not be shared by the loved ones of these fallen officers sitting in attendance. Obama contributed to this growing anti-police movement when he pissed on the Massachusetts police siding with his belligerent buddy against them. His ****ty leadership on this issue started then.
     
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    I think that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what the sniper think as much as what I/we think.

    I doubt some want more divisiveness. But plenty aren't happy about what happen and lash out or blame - it's quite natural. It's very reactionary and sometime that becomes divisive. Look deeper, at least for me, I usually sense fear. I think once I see that, it's easy to give up the negative reaction.

    I haven't watched the Dallas protest so I can't comment. But I no doubt that all BLM protests all peaceful. So grouping them all together, not just the Dallas one, there are some protesters that are quite ugly.
     
  14. Granville

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    You gonna lay any blame on people who resist arrest?
     
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    If you are blaming BLM for the sniper then you'd have to say he was working with them or even agreed with their philosophy. Blaming him for those killings would be the same as blaming every white person who proudly waved the confederate flag for Dylan Roof...

    Not all protests are violent but just because there was a violent protest by BLM doesn't mean that BLM is now bad or what they fight for is bad.

    Using this logic (not saying You are...but some ARE) would say that the Civil Rights movement was bad since there were certainly very violent protests during it.
     
  16. Granville

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    People are blaming BLM for their knee-jerk reactions coupled with hateful, ignorant and violence inciting forms of verbal attacks on the police that lead to what the sniper decided to do.
     
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    Interesting watching members of a majority telling people of a minority what to think.

    Above you state the protects were based on "the number of times" and "some of the grievances", yet by implication (and the facts) there are *some* instances when grievances are justified and change is needed. And unless change (improvement) is shown, those with grievances will continue to believe the system is broken.

    Obama's speech discussed the need for change *on both sides*. He talks to biases and unequal treatment that is both known and document (so denying its existence only succeeds in furthering the belief the system is broken), and need for *both sides* to come together to solve the problems.

    But he clearly supports the police. Quoting the executive Director of the National Sheriff's Association (who had been critical of Obama in the past):

     
  18. JayGoogle

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    Not sure what you consider resisting arrest. Did Tamir Rice resist arrest? Mtthew Ajibade?

    When numerous people tell their stories of their dealings with police and they are ignored and shat on constantly how do you think that makes them feel? There are stats that back up their experiences as Obama pointed out and you just ignore them. There was an interview with a Baltimore cop posted here in this thread or in another that basically confirms the fears that many black people have when dealing with police and he's not the only officer to go basically "Yeah, they are treated a little differently."

    Again, you conservatives are a bit delusional here. You wonder why black people 9 to 10 vote democratically and never once think it's because of your divisive racial rhetoric and lack of empathy towards issues that affect african-americans. There isn't even a moment where you go "Maybe they are right, maybe I could see it through their eyes..." just an instant denouncement of everything and wanting to move on.

    Knee-jerk reactions? No. This **** has been going on for decades now.

    "I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air." - MLK

    People are crying out to be heard and you continue to ignore them.

    Also, having the right to protest is part of what makes America. Why are you so angry about people exercising this right? It is rare to see this outrage when it came to the Bundy mess on the right.
     
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    Alicia Garza, the co-founder of BLM being interviewed. And yelling F the Police has nothing to do with a peaceful protest.
     
  20. JayGoogle

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    SJW bro? Policing language huh....

    It's a protest. Have you seen a protest before? You are policing what they say now? It was by definition a peaceful protest and now you are trying to police what people say while protesting? Doesn't sound very american to me.

    So I guess you aren't for the KKK holding rallies or protest then right? Just ban them too and ban any protest with language you may not agree with.

    Very SJW and PC if you ask me.
     

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