New York Times: Hillary Clinton illegally used private email for all State Dept. business

[delete stuff about the 1994 allegations and Trump saying supportive things about the pedo guy.]

EDIT: Sorry, I thought this was the Trump thread. I am clearly off-topic as per emails.

 

Your ONE video is of a video of TWO EXTREMIST STREET PREACHERS protesting outside a mosque because they are too normal... LOL

No, show me an actual video of American Muslims protesting and celebrating 9/11. You said there are plenty of them so it should be easy.

 

Who said that Islamic extremsits don't exist?

That is AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT NARRATIVE than stating that THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS of Muslims in Jersey city celebrating 9/11 when only THOUSANDS of Muslims live in Jersey city which INCRIMINATED EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM IN JERSEY CITY.


I just can't understand how you can't grasp this simple concept.

 

You said you know a large portion of the Muslim population in Houston and Boston and don't know a single person who celebrated 9/11. I don't either. I know they exist because they've carried out successful attacks against the US.

And no, declaring that thousands cheered, even if it wasn't thousands, isn't incriminated every single Muslim. It's like saying I saw hundreds of black people cheering the deaths of the 5 cops in Dallas and assuming I'm saying all black people cheered the deaths of the cops in Dallas. I can't help if stupid people are going to make stupid assumptions (not calling you stupid, but the people who take these statements and apply them to everyone in a particular group).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOSHX4VREV8 (foreign cheers)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-p1LEBAujE (foreign)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSKyVaGyOyE (terrible quality of a news report on people celebrating)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCtiwBrWHUc (this is the Howard Stern caller, he's a firefighter, you assume he's lying)

Again, I'm not saying I believe that thousands were cheering. I am saying I know that some DID cheer and therefore Trump's claim WAS based on fact. He, like every politician, significantly embellished the claim to make it more newsworthy. But the fact is, all across the world, there were Muslims cheering. There were also many many Muslims who mourned. There are so many more peaceful Muslims than extremists, but if we continue to pretend that Islam doesn't have this alternative violent narrative, we're going to continue to get randomly attacked every so often just like we have for the last 1400 years.

 

You still haven't showed me a video of Muslim Americans cheering 9/11 on any tangible scale besides a street preacher WHO WAS PROTESTING A MOSQUE. SO come back again with American Muslims celebrating 9/11. Just because someone is a firefighter doesn't mean he can't be a piece of ****. He listens to Howard Stern. Nuff said. I'm not going to base ****ing OBJECTIVE NEWS on a ****ing HOWARD STERN CALL. The dude called HOWARD STERN OF ALL PEOPLE to report MUSLIM EXTREMIST CELEBRATING? Sounds a bit odd, no?

Stop moving goal posts. You stated that you could easily find videos of Muslims celebrating 9/11 in the States. You made that claim, now back it.
Stop moving goal posts. I'm not referring to foreign celebrations. I'm referring to AMERICAN MUSLIMS.

 

First off, calm down...just calmmmmm down. Every single post you throw insults and F bombs. Why bother having a discussion with you on these issues if you're just going to blow up every time?

I did show you a video of Muslims cheering, watch the Anderson clip. Does it show thousands of AMERICAN Muslims? No, I've already said I haven't seen evidence of thousands in America celebrating. I've seen thousands of Palestinians celebrating. And perhaps this firefighter is a "pos," but you don't know that, and you've made an assumption based on his radio taste that is lying? I'm not saying he's being truthful, I'm reporting the facts, that people claim to have seen people celebrating.

And no, it doesn't sound odd. People call those shows for all sorts of things. That was a 9/11 live broadcast. What did you expect people to call in about?

Perhaps I'll do a little more digging later for American videos, I don't expect they'll be that easy to find. I was wrong to assume it would be easy to find. Doesn't mean they didn't happen or that his points about Islam isn't justified.

 

Good luck on your hunt to confirm your pre-conceived beliefs that a sizable potion of Muslim Americans celebrated 9/11. You'll need it.

And no, you have't even posted a single video supporting your beliefs. You posted a video of a street preacher WHO WAS PROTESTING A MOSQUE FOR BEING MODERATE... That video supports my claim more than anything.

So good luck on your video hunt. Find some nice juicy ones.

And I'm sorry that I don't find a Howard Stern caller as a credible news source. SHOW ME THE VIDEOS!

 

Sigh. I don't have any pre-conceived notion that a sizeable chunk of American Muslims celebrated 9/11. There are half a million American Muslims. I've repeatedly said that I didn't believe thousands celebrated and that it was likely a few hundred throughout the country.

But I'm done here. You're not a very respectful person, and I don't need to subject myself to your anger. I've made my position as clear as I can. That the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful and follow a peaceful narrative of Islam, but that there is another side to Islam and there are Muslims in the United States who want to harm us because they follow this interpretation. Therefore, I do not find Trump's statements that thousands celebrated 9/11 to be all that outrageous, even if it is factually inaccurate. The main point resonates. You can ignore that, and choose simple to focus on the specifics of his claim, but that won't change anything and it won't make you any safer from this ideology.

 

You make claims that you can easily find videos of Muslim Americans celebrating 9/11 and that Trump claiming that THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS of Muslim Americans did celebrate 9/11 and then believe that it's just a mere stupid embellishment that is less morally reprehensible than someone else who is just negligent and then lies to cover their negligence and you wonder why I'm angry? Your type of rhetoric that enables bigots like Trump is what makes it easy for racists to daisy chain of your **** rhetoric.

You act like 'focusing on specifics of a claim' THAT INCRIMINATES LITERALLY THE ENTIRE MUSLIM POPULATION OF JERSEY is frivolous... Ya, I'm angry and ya go **** yourself. Ignore me if you desire.

I respect people who deserve respect.

 

Don't let the facts stand in the way of what you want to be true...

 

Somewhat more on topic, Sanders has finally endorsed Clinton: http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-clinton-sanders-endorsement-20160712-snap-story.html

 

You're right, and at this point, in terms of presenting you the evidence I promised, I have failed.

It is a mere embellishment. We know people celebrated it in this country, and then acted on those thoughts.

No, actually, and I even cleared this up yesterday, IIRC, I did not make a moral equivalence. I made a statement that I find Hillary Clinton's lies to be more serious in terms of action. What she did is far worse than what Trump has said, IMO.

You're angry in every D&D thread I've read so far.

Which type of rhetoric is that? The type that supports peaceful Muslims but recognizes Islam has an inherent contradiction that allows for dueling ideologies, one being extremely dangerous with 1400 years of evidence?

Are there only a thousand New Jersey Muslims? You keep insisting that calling out "bad" Muslims is equivalent to calling out all Muslims.

Ah, and there you have it, folks. The maturity level of this guy is astounding.

Also written as, "I respect people who don't have opposing positions as me."

 

Which facts would that be? And what do you think I WANT to be true. There is a lot of assumptions going around here.

 

The fact that you think a sizable enough portion of Muslim Americans supported 9/11 enough for you to find videos of them celebrating EASILY.... You want it to be true because you believe it to be true without any evidence to corroborate it besides onsies and twosies which EVERY SINGLE DEMOGRAPHIC HAS.

You failed to find these videos 'easily'. You can't even find one and you still stand pat on believing you deserve respect. You ****ing assumed that a large enough portion of Muslim Americans support 9/11! How the **** do you think that isn't offensive?


BTW... 4.2% of Jersey residents are Muslim. Jersey population is 247,597.

247,597 *.042 = 10,399
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_City,_New_Jersey

"THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS". Yes, Donald Trump incriminated pretty much ALL MUSLIMS IN JERSEY CITY.

 

I can't help if Muslims are offended by his statements. Maybe they should be offended with the way their religion has been used to spread violence and fear. I'm certain offended with the way Christianity was once used, but then again there isn't any actual New Testament verses in which Jesus advocates for violence or death.

You seem to like repeating yourself, along with insulting people. I'm not ashamed to admit when I am wrong. I was wrong that these videos were easily available. Nonetheless, some did, and that's the only point I needed to make. Therefore, Trump's statement was an embellishment based on the fact that SOME Muslims did celebrate. It would be like saying some BLM protesters support the murder of police. We all know that there are some who do. Doesn't mean we believe all of them do, or even the majority of them do. It simply means there are enough to be concerned.

I believe I deserve respect because I've shown you respect. I've engaged in this debate with a respectful tone and attempted to understand your points. You haven't done the same because you have a pre-conceived notion that anyone who doesn't totally agree with you is the enemy. I'm sorry you think that way.

 

You think people should be offended of themselves because they were born into a specific religion? Ya, you don't deserve respect. Ignore me if you feel butt hurt about.

How many Muslim Americans do you know? You don't think they are disgusted with terrorists using their faith as a means to murder?

Amazing gish galloping there. BTW, embellishment is a form of lying and that isn't even what is the point of concern. The point of concern is that HE LITERALLY INCRIMINATED EVERY MUSLIM IN JERSEY CITY AS 9/11 sympathizers. Who the **** cares if you think that is an 'embellishment' or a flat out lie. The consequences of those implications are what matters and also what seems to continuously go over your head.

 

Do you have some kind of Chrome App that translates everything into the worst possible meaning?

I think Muslims should be offended at how people have used their religion to attack innocent people. Just like Christians should be ashamed when fanatics use the Bible to justify abortion bombings.

I know plenty, and they are disgusted. I didn't say most American Muslims aren't. It's only a small percentage that aren't and advocate for violence.

Actually, it was the main point of concern. Was his lie worse than Hillary's. You're absolutely right, it was a lie. I don't think I ever debated the point that it was technically a lie. We don't even need to use the technicality.

However, the argument was, which lie is worse for our country? For that, I said Hillary. Then you went off topic and got angry and focused on how Trump's comments offended people. My point was, his lie had at least a shred of truth. Hillary's wasn't close.

Is this what you say at the end of every discussion when somebody still doesn't agree with you?

I disagree that the consequences for Trump's statement in regards to New Jersey Muslims celebrating on 9/11 is more severe than Hillary's negligent handling of sensitive materials and continual denial. Although, I guess the consequences for Hillary have been decided. There are none. Except now we have more accounts that's she's untrustworthy.

This is where you state what an ******* Trump is and what a terrible second option he is, to which I would agree. Doesn't change this argument though. Hillary Clinton's actions concern me far more in the big picture.

 

Name one tangible thing that will make my life worse immediately with Hillary?

I can immediately think of one with Trump and that is my grandmother will not be able visit if he gets his way. So no more grandma

Ya, Trump is worse because his lying is offensive while Hillary's lying is defensive as in trying to save her own skin. When Trump lies it's just adding fuel to hatred. When Hilary lies, she's trying to save her own skin. And I love how you gloss over my last point in that Trump did legitimately just incriminate every single Muslim in Jersey city.

And LOL if you think that Trump must have some squeaky clean moral business record. What about his golf resort in Dubai that used the same pool of South Asian slave workers to build his resort? You think mismanaging classified documents is more reprehensible than hiring slave labor or incriminating thousands of innocent individuals? You seriously have a skewed warped reality.

Name me one negative tangible affect on the American public that resulted from her private servers?

There is no equivalency here. Trump is objectively a more vile character than Hillary.

Mismanaging some servers and lying to save your own skin is no were close to the horror that Trump's white nationalism rhetoric will lay upon America.

If you think Obama is a 'divisive' President, just wait for a Trump presidency.

I'm sorry that you can't see how empowering White Nationalism as Trump does has far more devastating consequences "in the big picture" than mishandling classified material and lying about it.

 

The Hilldog did it and she is the Democratic nominee for president, thus it doesn't matter what crimes she committed.

That's pretty much what the arguments boil down to.

Some people clearly think that there are people too big for the laws to apply to them.

 

Thank-you Bobby