[Falcon Heights] Woman goes live on Facebook after boyfriend is shot by police

They'll get there eventually. Unions want rules they can live with, and like most government stuff, that takes awhile.

 

If police unions got in the way, I'd be all for outlawing them. Certain professions shouldn't be allowed to unionize IMO.

 

I think police unions fighting body cameras speak volumes to the notion that they are actually hiding draconian practices. As public servants, why should they be afraid that the public can see their public service...publicly?

 

I don't think it does, honestly. I think it speaks volumes about how ploddingly slow government is. I've been reading utility tariffs recently (the rules to determine how utilities should operate). Do you know how this process goes? Utility commission staff proposes an order and publishes it. The public has maybe 60 days to comment, so a bunch of company lawyers write comments. Commission staff then write an amended order. 60 more days to comment. Staff then write a final order and the commission votes. If the commission adopts the order, it goes to a body in the legislature who might have another 60 days to approve. Company lawyers go lobby those guys. If they reject the order in full or in part, it goes back to the commission for amendments and they start over. If they approve it, it goes into effect but then there might be lawsuits from disgruntled companies trying to stop the order. It takes forever. I imagine the process with the police unions is similar. Their lawyers are particular in how the rules will be written, citizen groups also have interests, municipal governments and police departments have interests. So they slog through this rule-making process.

 

Seriously? It shows that a grouping of people who are less likely to commit crime, especially violent crime, is less likely to get in fatal confrontations with police.

 

Why don't you just come straight and say White people don't get shot by police as often because they are "better?" Why beat around the bush, dude?

 

Huh? Calm down. I was responding to a post that I thought was using an overly simplistic statistical analysis by saying that blacks get shot by police 35% of the time but only make up 13% of the population, and that somehow proves racism. I thought it was obvious, but my response was meant to ask how can you explain women making up 51% of the population and only be shot by police 4% compared to 96% male.

Clearly it's not valid to do a 1-to-1 mapping of the entire US population to police shooting victims. I think a more accurate analysis would be to compare the demographics of violent criminals to the demographics of those shot by police. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Do you disagree?

 

No, I don't disagree. Frankly, women aren't involved in nearly as many fatal police shootings because they are better looking than we are. ;-)-

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

You're right. My statement was definitely not thought through You reminded me of the good ol' red tape.

 

Actually. . . yes.
You cannot victimize a people over and over
and then say . .. well doing it to us is wrong
you see that right? yes? so don't do it. . . .. . btw. . . we still going to continue to do it to you but you shouldn't because it is wrong

The only way to teach people how you feel
seems to be to make them feel how you feel.

Rocket River

 

Hold on, I didn't say that proved racism. I think your response (male vs female breakdown) sort of missed my point. I was pointing that one has to take into account proportionality and not simply look at the raw numbers (more white people are killed than black people) to understand why this is a news story. That's step 1. I agree that convincingly showing that there is a clear racial bias at work requires something beyond that.

 

Way to justify terrorism. You are an awful person.

 

I'm assuming there is no way you are justifying the murders in Dallas last night.

But you can't "teach" through violence. The violence and horrific treatment only occurs when people don't feel empathy for the victims. If they refuse to humanize the victims and just see them as the "other team", they will never understand. They will just see that as justification for any past injustices...and the cycle continues.

 

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[LATimes]Newt Gingrich: Whites 'don't understand being black in America'

Most white Americans "don't understand being black in America" and the discrimination African Americans face, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, said Friday.

Gingrich, who is among a group of individuals presumptive GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump is vetting as a possible running mate, made his remark during a Facebook town hall with Van Jones, a former aide in the Obama administration.

The event had been scheduled to focus on opioid use, but with the nation reacting to two highly publicized shootings of black men by police this week, followed by the killing of at least five Dallas police officers in a gun attack Thursday night, the two shifted to talk about race and ways to bring the nation together.

"It took me a long time, and a number of people talking to me through the years to get a sense of this," said Gingrich, who served as speaker from 1990 until 1995 and who represented an Atlanta-area congressional district for two decades.

"If you are a normal white American, the truth is you don’t understand being black in America," he said.

White Americans "instinctively underestimate the level of discrimination and the level of additional risk," he said.

Gingrich's remarks followed a statement released by Trump on Friday in which he said the nation has become "too divided." Outside of the statement, Trump has not spoken about the shootings. He canceled a campaign rally that had been scheduled for Florida.

Gingrich, known for being blunt -- he initially spoke out against Trump following the candidate's controversial remarks about a Latino judge -- also talked about life in the South and specifically in Georgia, where he moved when he was in high school.

“It was still legally segregated, which meant the local sheriff and National Guard would impose, by force, the taking away of rights of Americans," he said. "We’ve come a fair distance, now we have a black mayor of Atlanta and have had a series of them, in fact. ... But we’ve stalled out on the cultural, economic, practical progress we needed.”

The former House speaker has a history of controversial, racially tinged remarks. He once called President Obama the “food stamp president” and questioned whether he had a "Kenyan, anti-colonial" worldview.

Gingrich has described bilingual education as teaching “the language of living in a ghetto,” and said that poor urban children come from communities that lack a “work ethic.” In 2012, seeking the GOP presidential nomination, he campaigned in the South with a states-rights message that critics called a coded appeal to prejudice.

Trump is expected to select his running mate sometime in the coming week, ahead of the Republican National Convention. He and Gingrich campaigned together earlier this week in Ohio.
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Damn liberal commie pinko race-baiter Newt Gingritch.

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From you that is a compliment
cause your idea of a good person is pretty f***ing horrible

Not at all
But I am saying that it happens

Hell America does it all the time.
There has NEVER been a time America has forgiven violence against it
without taking an overwhelming violent response

3000 on 9/11 . . . . leaded to over 100 000 deaths in Iraq
(and they had nothing to do with the planes.)

Pearl Harbors lead to two nuclear bombs dropped in Japan

Am I lying?

Rocket River

 

We are saying the same thing. "They" kill "us" because "we" aren't individuals, just the bad guys or other team. And vice versa. None of this **** stops until people can think beyond jersey colors

 

That's just how he thinks, everything is "us" vs "them" to him and it shows. His thinking that the murder of cops in Dallas was just essentially "getting one back for the home team to show the bad guys how it feels" isn't really THAT surprising even though it is repugnant.

 

The problem is. . . . overwhelmingly . . . .
Only one side is asked to 'take the moral high ground' (Civil Rights Movement)
to 'Get over it' (Slavery)
to 'Forgive" (Charleston Church Massacre)

9 black people were killed in a church and the murderer was forgiven before he was indicted

Will there be forgiveness for this shooter. . . . EVER??? No!

If you cannot see how one sided the expectation of forgiveness, doing the right thing and moving past it with out retaliation is. . then I don't know what to tell you.

Rocket River

 

No one should have to forgive the Dallas shooter, or the MN cop shooter, or the charleston church shooter. There are people that do, but they shouldn't have to.

You don't have to forgive the guilty individuals. But that guilt can't impugn the "innocent" others.

But you are right. One side can't be asked to keep turning the other cheek. Both sides have to. Practically I am not sure how that works when only one side has power though.

That makes it inherently unfair. But I don't know how you stop that on the macro level. On that, I agree with you.

 

Do you care about expectation or do you care about justice?

Cops are people too and they come in all varieties, racist ones included, and even good cops **** up. The important thing is holding them accountable and prosecuting them for the appropriate actions they committed. Do you think that can be achieved by labeling every cop as a racist and retaliating against them in coordinated acts of terrorism?