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[Falcon Heights] Woman goes live on Facebook after boyfriend is shot by police

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by RV6, Jul 7, 2016.

  1. AkeemTheDreem86

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    I will always seek to help, that's the point. What do you seek to do?
     
  2. Liberon

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    That cop was a ****ed up pig to begin with. He couldn't put 2 and 2 together as you still had on your work uniform? This is going to sound kind of rude, but is that area you at known to have meth or heroine problem? There was a string of videos in rural/small town places known to have a meth problem where the cops were stopping mostly 'white' young people then ripping them off of the drugs or cash stash they possessed. You can google it. Sorry that happened to you btw.
     
  3. Bobbythegreat

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    I seek to educate.
     
  4. AkeemTheDreem86

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    This is another sad part. I read bobby and almost feel sorry for him. He is likely just a product of his father's racism and hate, and his father's before him, and on down the line.
     
  5. Nook

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    One of my best friends has a white wife. As a result his children are biracial. He and I have spoken (based on my background) about the best way to respond to a police officer. He has taught his son to completely submit, to answer questions with simple "yes" or "no" responses and to literally not move and submit regardless of the situation because it is better to live than die.

    Sadly I had to agree with him. His son is 22 years old and in the military. His age, gender and skin tone all make his a possible target for being pulled over or questioned by the cops.
     
  6. Deckard

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    I don't feel the least bit sorry for him. Feeling sorry for people like that in this country is part of the problem, not part of the solution.
     
  7. Bobbythegreat

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    Shocker, you assuming racism. Never would have thought you'd be that type of person to see racism everywhere.....oh wait, that's why I suggested you seek professional help.

    If you were a deeper thinker, and your mind wasn't clouded by cognitive biases you'd see that I'm the furthest thing from a racist. Race is truly irrelevant to me, as such the title doesn't fit. Perhaps one day you'll get there.
     
  8. AkeemTheDreem86

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    I don't see racism everywhere, I see it in you.

    Have you ever heard of Albert Einstein? Well, he was a deeper thinker than you or I. I encourage you to read his full quote posted a page or so back.
     
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  9. HillBoy

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    You really need to stop talking about black people because you haven't the foggiest idea of what you're talking about. You'd be better off talking about space aliens or Disney characters. At least then, you'd have some credibility.
     
  10. jsingles

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    It was in Katy, I wasn't sure if was time to evacuate the city or not. I have no idea if Katy has a drug problem, I would guess not.
     
  11. Bobbythegreat

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    Well if you think you see it in me then you are a fool. Simple as that. To me race is truly irrelevant.....but then there's others on this board who freak out when they hear about a black man being killed by a white man simply because of the races of the people involved. Hmm, I wonder what you should call those people?

    More white people are killed by police every year than black people yet we almost never hear about those cases....I wonder why that is? They can't rile up people obsessed with race with those stories so they don't get national play. People like you are getting played by the media but you are too foolish to realize it. Hell in the other thread we have people outraged over a drug dealer and sex offender with multiple assault arrests in his past resisting arrest and ending up shot.....and the SOLE reason they are outraged? The color of his skin and the color of the officer's skin.

    In this case, it looks like a legitimate case of a cop committing voluntary manslaughter, overreacting to a guy with a CHL who was carrying....but the ONLY reason why you care is the color of the man's skin and the color of the officer's skin. Change those variables, and you never even hear the story.
     
  12. Nook

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    BLM deserves an eye roll at a minimum...... read about the founders of the organization and their beliefs.... they are an absolute joke.

    The founders are open supporters of Assata Shakur, a convicted cop killer currently hiding in Cuba... as well as Angela Davis.

    The founders are Marxists and one of their few stated goals are to free all political prisoners in America and for mandatory 100% living wage employment for black Americans.

    They also have had Malik Shabazz as a keynote speaker, a man that has repeatedly said that white people are the shared enemies of all black people. He has openly encouraged black people to kill police officers....... and he called Osama Bin-Laden his "brother in faith" and "brave" after 9-11.

    The movement is founded by and supports racism and marxism. The movement is an absolute joke, and often times deters from the actual problems of racism.
     
  13. JeffB

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    I remember my "how to deal with police" talk when I was a kid. It also included the directive to never walk out the door without my state identification. Even as a ride along passenger. Never.
     
  14. JeffB

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    The people at the core of BLM are part of a predictable counter movement to the oppression black people face everyday in this country. I am not a fan of their methods and militancy but I damn well understand it. They are adopting some of the few analytical frameworks that explain the world they live in, their position in society. The strain of Marxism they study does that well.

    It is up to our country to communicate to everyone that each life matters and state oppression, whether it is murder or exploitation as in what has been uncovered in Oakland, to integrate everyone into the fabric of our society and stunt any radicalization.

    What definitely doesn't help is things that include rallying behind the blue shield or police unions (the only unions the right seems to like) in these incidents in every case. And it definitely communicate that their lives don't matter when a person running for president can repeatedly re-tweet white supremacists with no serious consequences to their political standing.
     
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    This sums up my views as well, sure I want to eye roll as well but those of us that don't face the same roadblocks as black americans do everyday can't really understand the core of the issue. At worst they are a counter weight.
     
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    Like the Tea Party before it, I think the BLM is remarkable for how little the founders matter. A lot of people have hitched onto the sentiment of black lives matter who don't know or care who coined it, nor who gives speeches at some BLM-branded events, nor about the purported marxist overtones (lol) people seem to detect in the movement. Millions of people just want black suspects to stop dying at the hands of police officers under suspicious circumstances and mainstream white America just shrugging their shoulders like it doesn't matter. That's it. When someone hashtags BLM, they overwhelmingly do not intend to communicate that cops should die and we should all be collectivized in a kibbutz.
     
  17. Nook

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    I understand your position, and certainly understand the appeal of Marxism. However I don't believe their position on a number of issues is well known and I don't believe that many people that passively support the BLM.

    Supporting Assata Shakur, Angela Davis and Malik Shabazz is pretty damn radical.

    I will give them credit for being successful in getting media attention and support, although I question the long term impact it will have.

    I suspect that the media covering and showing video after video of black men being shot by police officers will ultimately sway public opinion.
     
  18. edwardc

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    Very well stated it couldn't get any simpler than that.
     
  19. RV6

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    if cops have a quick trigger finger bc of paranoia...should they be treated the same as those who have it bc they're racist? Is there no point in finding out which of these led to a shooting? Nothing to learn from it?

    You can't expect to solve a problem, if you don't want to understand it's triggers (no pun intended). People are quick to want to paint every officer involved as cold blooded murderers who are racist. Considering these incidents seem to increase in frequency, i think it's more likely that its caused by the increase in paranoia, rather than racist cops being too dumb to realize they are less and less likely to get away with it (as much as we want to associate lack of intelligence with racism, it's not always the case) and risk losing their job, maybe their freedom, by being so careless..
     
  20. geeimsobored

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    This is a pretty good article that sums up my personal thoughts. At the end of the day, cops are people and are not infalliable. They are subject to the same flaws, biases, and problems as any other person. It's important that we understand that cops can be wrong and can make deadly decisions that were wrong because a the end of the day, they are human.

    http://www.vox.com/2015/5/28/8661977/race-police-officer
     
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