[Falcon Heights] Woman goes live on Facebook after boyfriend is shot by police

Straight up murder? How do you know this? I watched the video, but didn't see the shooting. I don't know what happened.

Just because someone says its murder, doesn't mean it is murder. We don't know what happened. I hope all the facts come out, and hope people won't rush to judgement.

 

Repped.

 

For sure, actual victims are very different from those who merely have a victim complex.

For example, a black man who was a slave in America 250 years ago was a victim. A black man growing up in America in 2016 that feels like the world is out to get him simply has a victim complex.

"The man" isn't out to get anyone today, if you feel that way, you probably have a problem and should seek professional help.

 

If so, please reconcile with:

So, cops are paranoid because people like them get hurt or killed everyday and they just want to survive while dealing with the worst of humanity, so you have sympathy for them.

But, blacks are paranoid because people like them get hurt or killed (or jailed) everyday, and they just want to survive while dealing with the worst of humanity (prejudice, profiling, suspicion, denial of equal opportunity), but they just have a victim complex?

 

Is it your understanding that systemic black oppression in this country ended with the Emancipation Proclamation?

 

It is either ignorance or dishonesty that leads one to refer to 250 years ago as the time when black people were "victims" in this country.

Now, to be clear, the same type of systemic racism that crippled black people does not exist to the same levels today that it did in say the 60s, but the aftermath of that still weighs on society today.

 

Repped.

 

The difference of course being legitimate paranoia vs illegitimate paranoia. I'm sure there are black people who think the world is out to get them but there's no actual valid reason to think that.

No, but I'm talking about 2016. If you think the world is out to get black people in 2016 then you should probably seek help.

 

With the drug war, privatized prisons, police militarization, and states sloughing off sections of the Voter Rights Act in celebration of the end of racism left and right, I'd say Jim Crowe's life matters pretty damn much right now.

 

Oh please

Every single time a black victim is involved, a huge group of people in this country, the media included, will claim that it was the result of racism.

When the victim is some other minority or woman? Suddenly no mention of discrimination at all. In fact that same group from before will fight you tooth and nail if you even dared to imply that someone other than a black man might too face prejudice.

 

I think you are right when you say that it "crippled" black people because despite others facing the exact same sort of discrimination, they seem to be the only group "crippled" by it to the point where it is still whined about ad nauseam well after it goes away.

Hopefully one day those in the black community still "crippled" by things that didn't actually happen to them specifically will find a way to move on and just be people like everyone else without looking for racism everywhere.

Didn't get a job I wanted? Racism.
Fought a cop and got shot? Racism.
Got arrested for breaking the law? Racism.

Hopefully we get past this unhealthy nonsense one day.

 

http://wncn.com/2016/07/06/raleigh-man-fires-handgun-at-wake-county-deputy/amp/

Fired his gun at an officer and survived.

 

Maybe it's a reading comprehension problem, but what are you saying? I think already said that the problems still exist yes? Do you disagree with me that they are less now than they used to be? As we move through generations things DO get better. It's impossible to ignore that.

What in the world are you talking about?

 

I couldn't imagine being in that situation. Complying with the officer only to have him shoot you dead while you sit in a car. Kid in the backseat is going to have some serious issues later in life.

I remember a few years back when I was managing at a sports bar. I got off one night about 1:15AM, as I get in the car and start up an officer pulls into the parking lot, turns their flashers on and pulls up behind me. I get out of the car, he asks me why I'm there. I tell him I'm not trying to be, I'm trying to go home. I had my work clothes still on with the logo of the place on the front of my polo shirt. He asked me why I'm hanging out in an empty parking lot at this hour. I tell him we close at 12, it takes time to close everything up, I as the manager am the last one to leave. He takes my ID and starts running all my info. Again asking me why I chose to just sit in a parking lot at this hour. At this point I give him attitude and talk in a manner I would a small child as I repeat that I'm not hanging out, I get in my car he pulls up before I can put my car in park. Few moments later he gets the info that my only blemish is a speeding ticket from 2004. Hands me back my ID, at that point I ask him his name, he doesn't want to give it, so I insist he does. I could tell he was not happy but I was pissed that he was holding me up and treating me as some kind of thug or drug user (I'm 155lbs, white, no tats, late 20s at the time. I look as unremarkable as anyone) He then reluctantly gave me his last name but refused to give me his first.

Thinking back now, if I were a minority, the way I gave him attitude, something very serious could have happened to me. The location of the sports bar wasn't in an adjoining backing lot, it was a stand alone without a business in either direction for a few hundred yards, we were very secluded.

 

Well here's the root of the problem. Not sure there's anything more to say to you.

 

Sorry, what he's saying is correct. There are plenty of voices telling black people to get over it. Not all voices -- that's not the point. Just look at all the posters on this very BBS who are always posting roll eyes or similar for BLM or just about any thread that mentions potential, perceived, or very obvious racism. That's all he's saying.

Our society is pretty unanimous about some historical ills and learning from them, while there are others we just want to be over, pretending there were no long-term ramifications.

If Einstein was a smart guy, here's what he had to say about race once he moved to America. This (just an excerpt), is from 1946 but is very prophetic.

"It would be foolish to despise tradition. But with our growing self-consciousness and increasing intelligence we must begin to control tradition and assume a critical attitude toward it, if human relations are ever to change for the better. We must try to recognize what in our accepted tradition is damaging to our fate and dignity—and shape our lives accordingly.

I believe that whoever tries to think things through honestly will soon recognize how unworthy and even fatal is the traditional bias against Negroes.

What, however, can the man of good will do to combat this deeply rooted prejudice? He must have the courage to set an example by word and deed, and must watch lest his children become influenced by this racial bias.

I do not believe there is a way in which this deeply entrenched evil can be quickly healed.
 But until this goal is reached there is no greater satisfaction for a just and well-meaning person than the knowledge that he has devoted his best energies to the service of the good cause."

(boldface is mine)

And 70 years later, we've made immense progress, but we still have clear and obvious issues. We are a tribal species, and Einstein understood that as well as anyone ever has. He also devoted a lot of his energies to fighting that human tendency and speaking out against it.

 

Agreed, I've already said it, if you feel that way seek help.

 

**** you and back to my ignore list. Glorifying being an ******* doesn't make you worth reading, you immature fool.

 

I agree that it is better than it used to be, I'm only reiterating (poorly, maybe) that it's dangerous to pretend that black communities are not still systemically oppressed by their own government.

 

Today you have people growing up that could become senators congressmen and presidents but in their minds they are still slaves. That's just sad. At some point people will just have to get past their preoccupation with race. It's unhealthy.