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David Cameron: Britain's EU Referendum to be held June 23

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Feb 20, 2016.

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  1. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Yeah because he's the only one who got death threats. At least he didn't get shot like his counterpart.
     
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  2. Dei

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    Yes, indeed but political murders happen rarely. Farage got high-profile enough that he received continuous death threats. He's been assaulted numbers of times. He even got attacked in a pub while out with his family. His children have been bullied. If you're suggesting that after all that he put on a charade for "political power", you need to make a stronger case.
     
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    Well, if he's truly in it for the good of UK, then this is kind of a weird time to step down. He's been saying for a long time now that EU is bad for UK. So presumably he more than anyone else understand HOW UK is going to be better off after leaving the EU.

    Currently, politicians and experts mostly all say leaving the EU is bad, and voters are saying these "experts" are full of BS, that Farage is the person who knows what he's talking about. If that's truly the case, then it's probably not a good idea to leave the succession process up to those lame economists and politicians whom the people disagree with. So why is Farage doing this when he should be steering the course of the country to its rightful path?
     
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  4. MojoMan

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    Not that I am under the illusion that any of you establishment globalist lefties (with which this forum is positively infested) cares a lick about the facts or the truth, but Nigel Farage continues to serve as the British MP to the European Parliament for Southeast England, where he is in a great place to watch this process very closely, which he has made clear he intends to do. if the Tories want to engage him in an advisory role on the transition, Farage will no doubt be honored to serve in that capacity as well.

    As MEP for Southeast England, Farage's term lasts until 2019, which unless these people act like Republicans and completely betray their constituents and the integrity of the referendum process in what is surely an irretrievably damaging way, will be long enough to complete this process.

    Nigel Farage has resigned as the leader of the UKIP party, which stands for

    United Kingdom Independence Party

    From the start, this has been primarily a single issue party, the purpose of which was to win a public referendum for the UK to exit the EU. That has happened now. As a result, the UKIP political party has served its political purpose.

    Farage and his party won in epic fashion. The whole world is still politically shaking in the aftermath of his success. So while he continues in his political role as a member of parliament and a leading voice on the process of leaving the EU, his role as head of the UKIP party has been successfully accomplished and is therefore effectively finished.

    In the meantime, what platform does the party run on if it wants to continue in domestic politics? It was the "Leave the EU" party. Now that the UK has made the decision to leave the EU, what would be the argument to vote for people in their party? There no longer is one, as that purposes has been achieved. Since there is no need for that party to promote candidates for any more elections, there is no need for a head of the political "party".

    Payton Manning won the Superbowl for the Denver Broncos this last year, and then retired. Did he "quit" in the sense that he gave up and ran away from the game? Only someone who is an ignorant ass would suggest that he did. Payton Manning was remarkably successful and is a mortal lock to be a first ballot hall of famer. He played 18 years and retired at the highest possible point you could leave on, which was a victory in the Superbowl.

    Nigel Farage resignation at the leader of the UKIP party is the same in that his party achieved the purpose for which it was formed and now will almost certainly retire from promoting candidates in elections under its banner. They won and Nigel Farage won. Now, just like Payton Manning, Nigel Farage is retiring, having achieved all as PARTY LEADER that he possibly could and is stepping down at the top of his game.

    Congratulations, Nigel. Very well done indeed, man. Very well done.
     
    #604 MojoMan, Jul 5, 2016
  5. AroundTheWorld

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    Epic fashion?

    • narrow margin
    • old and uneducated voters voted in their favour
    • before the referendum, he said he would demand another referendum if they lose narrowly - no talk about that now

    The whole world is still shaking its head at this guy.
     
    #605 AroundTheWorld, Jul 5, 2016
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    Nigel is playing chess in a field of football players.

    Bravo, British Ted Cruz. Bravo.
     
    #606 Invisible Fan, Jul 5, 2016
  7. Dei

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    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/16MzIOOAwzQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
    #607 Dei, Jul 5, 2016
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    No I am suggesting that he never had very much political power at the end of the day because his own party didn't particularly like him and he realized he was being totally left out of the power grab.
     
    #608 Sweet Lou 4 2, Jul 5, 2016
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    The Federal Reserve just summed it up: no big deal.
    Move along.


     
    #609 Cohete Rojo, Jul 5, 2016
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    ATW? You, Judo, and the others here with a functioning intelligence are wasting your time with these guys. The density they are displaying is somewhere to the right of a black hole. That they are arguing with you makes no sense whatsoever. The only apparent reason is that they seem to believe that you and Judo are "leftists," which is bizarre. It would be more accurate to describe me in that fashion, but they have no ability to discern nuance. That's beyond their capabilities. They can't see the disaster unfolding. They don't really care. All they wish to do is argue without reason.
     
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    And yet, the UK is still a member of the EU as of today. There's still plenty to be done to see to it that Britain exits 'the right way.' He should want to be a part of that. Did Peyton Manning retire in the second quarter after his last touchdown, or did he wait till the clock ran out and his victory was assured?
     
    #611 JuanValdez, Jul 5, 2016
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    In...........what..............waaaaaaaaay does this reduce his chances of being part of that.
     
    #612 Bandwagoner, Jul 5, 2016
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    Now you are just being obtuse.

    As you know very well, Nigel Farage is not retiring from his position as MEP for Southeast England. This is where he will be in a position to influence this process in the most powerful way. His role as head of UKIP - a political party - is only relevant when campaigning for candidates or a referendum. There is no referendum pending and no elections scheduled until 2019, by which time the UK should have formally exited the EU.

    As head of UKIP, he has no role in managing the process by which the UK leaves the EU. But as a member of the EU parliament, which he will continue to be, he does.
     
    #613 MojoMan, Jul 5, 2016
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    #614 AroundTheWorld, Jul 5, 2016
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    It's part of the perks of his job. You may as well complain that he's making 84000 euros from it.

    He was elected to his position. He ran on the premise he'd fight to get the UK which means he'll be using the money he makes there to fund his mission.

    It's called democracy m8
     
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  16. Dei

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    If his own party didn't like him he never would have been leader. UKIP elects its leaders too. You're trying to confuse him with Trump. That most of the UKIP members, esp. high ranking ones don't like him is not true. That's just not true.

    As for him doing everything for political power... I think surely he could've taken easier avenues than he's had to. He used to be a member of the Conservative party but he quit that to form UKIP after hearing the GBP was going to be pegged to the Deutschmark, which was the start of economic union.
     
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  17. AroundTheWorld

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    Dei, are you from the UK?
     
    #617 AroundTheWorld, Jul 5, 2016
  18. Dei

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    No. I've just followed Farage for a while now. I look at global politics in general as a personal interest but Europe's been a hotbed lately and, like I said before, I know some Ukippers personally that I got dragged into it. I'm pretty right leaning and Farage has been a leading figure for the right of global politics.

    Many Americans have followed Farage through the years. He's had American callers in phone interviews and American guests in UKIP events. English-speaking and facing roughly similar adversities, he's basically the type of politician conservative America's always wanted. He practically speaks for the American right wing as much as he does for the Brits.
     
    #618 Dei, Jul 5, 2016
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    Did we all forget about this already? All the "leave" people jumped ship from the leadership race as they realize they have no clue how to actually do what they said they would, and now May - a remain supporter - is set to be PM. Despite the usual reality-deniers, we're moving more and more towards an outcome of Britain doing some renegotiating and either staying in the EU or delaying the leave for an extended period.
     
    #619 Major, Jul 11, 2016
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    reminiscent of GWB and the Neocons refusing to accept responsibility for starting an unnecessary war.
     
    #620 adoo, Jul 11, 2016
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