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The Astros "What Needs to be Done" Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by jim1961, May 5, 2016.

  1. Froggychef

    Froggychef Member

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    Rangers keep on winning and they have 3 starters on dl and a really good bullpen arm. I belI eve rangers will cool off and astros csn slowly catch them. However I don't believe rangers are just going to nose dive. They have room to improve and thst scares me.
     
  2. Snake Diggit

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    Houstons odds of winning the division are extremely low. The Rangers will be getting injured players back and also have the farm depth to provide reinforcements and be active at the trade deadline. That combined with a 10 game lead makes it unlikely Houston will be able to catch them. Stranger things have happened but the Astros need to focus on winning the wild card and building a lead there.
     
  3. Froggychef

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    Astros should focus on winning wildcard. To win wild card we have to win games. If we win games and rangers don't we will pass them. If we don't pass them and our terrible start of season was the difference. It's ok we will dominate them in the playoffs
     
  4. Buck Turgidson

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    We have 9 games left with the Rangers.
     
  5. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Fixed it
     
  6. Hey Now!

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    Right; so you're saying the lead could grow to as much as 19 games - good to know; thanks for the info.
     
  7. Buck Turgidson

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    I'm confident that the voodoo hex they have over the Astros will be countered in the second half. We have top men working on it right now.

    Top. men.
     
  8. Froggychef

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    Lol by top men do you mean guys making voodoo dolls,rabbits foots,and four leaf clovers to overcome this "luck" rangers are having. Just last night the Yankees lost thier best hitter. How convenient lol
     
  9. juicystream

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    The one guy on the DL that matters is Darvish. Lewis and Holland aren't difference makers, except when Lewis faces the Astros. Gallo is the one potential difference maker on the farm (unless someone surprises).

    I do think catching them, unless we reverse the dominance, is going to be incredibly difficult. Of course the Rangers faced a similar challenge last year, and we know what happened.
     
  10. Froggychef

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    He almost threw a perfect game in oakland. He's no ace but he's easily a important piece in thier line up. Plus him being out they have to use triple a picthee chi chi
     
  11. Buck Turgidson

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    They're 10-5 in his starts, he's given up 4 ER once and 6 ER twice, and has failed to finish the 6th inning twice. Any team in baseball would take that.
     
  12. juicystream

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    Dallas Braden pitched a perfect game. Philip Humber pitched a perfect game. Armando Galarraga would have pitched a perfect game if replay existed in 2010. Yusmeiro Petit missed a perfect game by inches.

    Point being, mediocre pitches who nobody would know of otherwise have come closer or even succeeded in pitching perfect games. Lewis has a SIERA of 4.74, xFIP of 4.89, and a career ERA of 4.68. He eats innings, so he isn't without value, and you a right, they have so little pitching depth that there is a drop off.
     
  13. juicystream

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    They would, but it doesn't mean he is good or even average. Jeriome Robertson once won 15 games. We have the same thing going for us with Doug Fister.
     
  14. jim1961

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    Our wildcard hopes dont necessarily rest on it, but winning the division means not going 1-8 over those remaining games vs the Rangers. To our favor, 6 of those 9 are at home. Sure, going 8-1 would almost make up the current game deficit, but that probably isnt a realistic goal. If we could go 5-4 and make up the other 9 games vs other opponents, that is more likely.
     
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    Except his FIP, xFIP, SIERA, and the rest of his career numbers. Numbers that better project his future. Doug Fister isn't one of the best pitchers in baseball either (but he at least has a history of having better ERA than FIP stats).
     
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    http://www.astroscounty.com/2016/06/how-are-rangers-doing-this.html

    So which Astros are struggling against the Rangers?

    It's not Jose Altuve (.289/.386/.526) or Luis Valbuena (.350/.381/.450). It's not Colby Rasmus (.286/.412/.536). Marwin is even hitting a respectable .267/.267/.467 against Midlothian. But they're the only ones off the hook here. Consider:

    George Springer: .179/.289/.385
    Carlos Correa: .139/.225/.167
    Carlos Gomez: .130/.286/.304
    Jason Castro: .174/.296/.174
    Evan Gattis: .182/.222/.303
     
  18. Buck Turgidson

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    I understand all of that, and his career numbers, but to say he wasn't "good or even average" so far this year is ridiculous. I was not making any predictive judgements, especially now that he's on the DL, just commenting on how he has pitched. If you think they can just plug Chi-Chi or one of their other mediocre AAA guys in and get the same results, damn I hope you're wrong.
     
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    And the pitchers?
     
  20. juicystream

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    They might be able to is the point, though I admitted there is a drop off just because they have no rotation depth (Peacock would be an upgrade over what they have now). Colby Lewis has gotten by primarily by luck. The production is good, but they player hasn't been that good. It happens in baseball. Chi Chi was a prime example just last season. A 3.90 ERA despite more walks than Ks.
     

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