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[Game of Thrones] Season Six

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  1. DCkid

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    Was thinking the same thing, but just seems too obvious and anticlimactic.

    Dothraki
    Unsullied
    Dragons
    Tyrion/Varys as advisers
    Tyrells
    Dorne
    Greyjoys

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    What's left of the Lannisters and forces in King's Landing.

    I'd be surprised if there's not something that evens the playing field a little. My first thought is that Euron and the other half of the Iron Islands will come into play and possibly seriously decimate Dany's fleet before it arrives on the shores. And then of course there's always the possibility of Littlefinger doing something.
     
  2. Haymitch

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    This must be a book thing because I don't gather this from the show. Didn't Jorah long ago dispel any of Dany's delusions that the common people want a Targaryen on the throne? The common people don't care; really, it's only the major houses that care. And I don't see any major house desperately wanting a Targaryen; they will support Dany only if they have no choice or if it benefits them.
     
  3. Space Ghost

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    Yes, she ruled through Tommen when he first became King. Margery led him astray. She wanted the best of both worlds; keeping her child under her control and to rule through him. Cercei is all about power, not the allusion of power. To rule through manipulation, yes. To be Queen, no.
     
  4. DonnyMost

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    Not anymore she don't. :eek:
     
  5. Nick

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    I presume you meant "illusion".... and if you really believe what you're saying, then you'll have to admit that she's not turning down the opportunity to be Queen, even if its via default.

    Its the only way she can rule now... not even sure who else would be a candidate if she turned it down. (seeing how its still officially the house of Baratheon, princess shireen would have probably been the natural successor had she lived).
     
  6. justtxyank

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    I think you greatly overdramatize this situation. If Robert was going to go to war with Ned over this he wouldn't have really let him leave. Robert was angry and Ned was angry and they had a spat. They were never going to go to war.

    Ned walks out and Robert yells at him, but then Ned stays in the city and roams freely investigating. The confrontation with Jamie happens and then Robert confronts Ned, tells him to release the Imp and they make up.
     
  7. justtxyank

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    Based on what?

    She has always wanted ultimate power. When Littlefinger told her "knowledge is power" she responded with "power is power." She's not nearly as subtle and smart as she thinks she is. Her motivations have always been obvious to everyone around her, including her father. She talked about ruling Casterly Rock with her father once who scoffed at her. She's always resented that as a woman she was forced to marry and have sex with men she didn't care about, etc. When she was a child she asked if she would be queen. Being queen is what she always wanted. She wanted to marry Rhaegar and was rejected. She wanted to marry Robert to be queen and was admittedly hurt that he didn't love her. She has snarled at those who wouldn't let her rule via proxy with her children, including her own uncle Kevan. She wants to rule. Now she has it in her own right.
     
  8. VooDooPope

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    Damn, Cersi with the body count!
    Lady Mormont with the "y'all are cowards" slap down.
    Aria with the payback on the freys.
    Awesome episode.
     
  9. Air Langhi

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    She has three fully grown dragons. What else does she really need?
     
  10. dc rock

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    I wonder if people were cheering Cersei on when she was taunting the "shame!" woman only to be mortified when Cersei left her to be raped by the zombie power lifter.

    Q: You know the old guy killed by the kids, early on in the series there was a scene where he revealed he was much more spry than he was letting on. What was the point of that?
     
  11. DCkid

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    Just thought it was to show he's playing the game like everyone else.
     
  12. Space Ghost

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    The show is certainly watered down from the books as there is just no way you could portray the tens of thousands of pages and hold an audience, which explains why they went with the title GoT over ASOIAF. Keep in mind Dany and Viscery were in hiding as it was believed the entire Targaryen family line was killed off. If you recall, there were assassins early in the show trying to kill Dany before she became in power. This is why Ned kept Jons identity a secret.

    Keep in mind this is a replica of medieval times. There is no democracy. The War of the Seven Kingdoms was fought over who believed they were the heir to the crown; Renly, Stannis and Robb did not recognize Cerceis children due to incest (they were not Robert Baratheon's legit sons). Renly doesn't care that Stannis is next in line and feels he can oust Stannis.
     
  13. DCkid

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    Exactly. Like I said...it seems so obvious that she's just going to march right in and become queen. The obvious things usually don't happen in this show.
     
  14. Space Ghost

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    To become queen, she would need Tommen out of the way. That was easy enough by letting him go to the trial with everyone else. Instead, she stopped him. Is she happy to be officially the queen, of course. Would she kill Tommen for it? Obviously not. She would still have that power either way.
     
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    So, any guesses on what happens with Melisandre? Does she join up with the Hound?
     
  16. Haymitch

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    Yeah, I mean this is all true but it says nothing about your claim of the Targaryens being "viewed as the rightful ruling family".

    Who views them as such? None of Renly, Stannis or Robb fought against the Lannisters because they wanted a Targaryen on the throne.

    That Robert had assassins trying to kill the Targaryens who he believed would one day try to take the throne (and hey, he was right!) also doesn't support the position that the Targaryens are being "viewed as the rightful ruling family" by anybody.
     
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    She's a nice wild card to get the Lannisters back in the game, or at least give them some kind of fighting chance to not get completely trucked by Dany.
     
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    The Dorne thing still doesn't make any sense. Why did Doran and co still have to die? Could've written him in as a master manipulator who formed an alliance with the Lannister only to double cross them by aiding Dany's quest to cross the Narrow Sea.

    So glad Olenna got to layeth a smackdown on the sand snakes. It was brilliant.
     
  19. DonnyMost

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    No way she wanted Tommen dead. She wanted him alive, and to continue the family name and right to the throne, and of course to do her bidding.

    Tommen's death vs. Joffrey's death just shows you how cold Cersei has become.

    When Joffrey died she was wrecked, when Tommen died she was like "welp, thats the price of doing business I guess".
     
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