David Cameron: Britain's EU Referendum to be held June 23

I hate to defend the pig-lover Tory scum that is David Cameron, but I fully understand he had to do it in order to quell division within his own party. Half his party (and many Labourites) were pro-Leave and he couldn't effectively lead his own party without putting it to rest. He was terribly unfortunate and nothing more. No respectable bookmaker or pundit predicted Leave to win and i'm sure he and his advisors figured the referendum was little more than formality. I'll miss him when Boris Dumb**** Johnson takes his place.

 

I am not surprised that Johnson is almost backtracking - I think the stock market crash and the currency dropping to a 30 year low probably was a good bucket of ice water being doused on the British. I think a lot of people voted without thinking there would be economic consequences and make them look like the biggest fools to the entire world.

Could you imagine being a person who voted for that stupid thing and then watching the global markets crash led by your little island?

 

technologically, the world is becoming more decentralized and distributed

political power is now following suit

this is a good thing

in any declining system, there are are two options: Voice and Exit

Voice - changing the system from within

Exit - leaving the system (perhaps for another or to start something new)

Voice and Exit compliment one another

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1) Technology is diffuse, and wants to be open, but entrepreneurs looking to take advantage of closed corners to monetize will be terrified at economic and political instability. This is why both startups and large tech companies are recoiling around Brexit.

2) The technology built right now is dependent on good science, which is/will be harmed by Brexit.

3) A large part of building successful technology teams is freedom of movement. Silicon Valley is 50%+ composed of immigrants, and the success of great technology comes out of teams of people who work together regardless of nationality (or other arbitrary values). Brexit both demonstrates a paranoia about open movement, and a large anti-migration bias.

4) An anti-intellectual approach that scapegoats migrants and ignores the root causes of problems is antithetical to data-driven tech culture.

No, Brexit isn't an absolute good thing because you generalized a YC School speech to a set of complex variables.

 

Not every immigrant is equal - obviously.

Nobody except for crazy xenophobes (less than 1 % of the population) minds the Silicon Valley type immigrant.

Many mind immigrants who immediately become a burden to the social system, have no plans to ever change this, no plans to ever contribute to society or even learn the language, and who bring their backwards customs with them and try to force them on the society that has allowed them in.

Personal experience with the latter type of immigrant is why many people voted for the Brexit. Foolishly so, because Brexit will change nothing about this type of immigrant being forced onto them, but this was what drove the sentiment for many.

 

This was done out of sheer unrelated stupidity, but what comes next is every country that has been screwed by German bankers attempts to leave the EU and Germany threatens their livelihood of course.

 

I always appreciate when an issue splits each party instead of the typical partisan lines. This shows me the people are truly focusing on the issue and not blindly following the party.

Personally I feel like the exit was inevitable unless drastic changes took place. It seems Cameron was hedging his bets that it would not pass and by placing the referendum now, he could basically kick the proverbial can down the road.

The sediment is that many non partisan experts are not sure how this will turn out.

 

Someone big dare to experiment. Great. From a US perspective, at least we get to see the result live while not facing that much of a direct impact.

 

We will feel an impact given the EU is a pretty big trading partner of ours.

 

Yes we will. Short term definitely. But how much? Is it doom day? How will they manage and other react? I like to see how it unfold. I certainly don't think it is this.



Now, I think it's backward route to take especially considering some of the reasoning behind it, but the EU has it major set of WTF and so ... we'll see.

 

Which country has been screwed by German bankers?

 

yeah sure, we are doomed without the globalists running things

project fear has failed

 

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Greece certainly has - everything that has been done to them the last 6 years has been done with the intent to destroy Greece in order to save the rest of the EU. Greece certainly brought it upon themselves, but none of the aid packages have been designed around the idea of helping Greece get back on its feet - they've just been to support the other countries and their banking institutions while forcing the Greek economy deeper into a hole.

The EU is a flawed institution in a lot of ways and there are many legitimate reasons to leave it. England seems dumb because they had the best of both worlds with one foot in and one foot out of the EU. But some of the fully integrated countries - Greece in particular - will only get healthy by leaving the EU. Greece made the wrong decision to stay, and England likely made the wrong decision to leave.

 

Except for pretty much all of the polling pointed towards a victory for the Remain side. It was a gamble for sure but there is always a risk you lose on gambles.

Yes of course because this is exactly like psychopathic killings.

Yes of course this is exactly like 1938.

 

Again I think this is far from over.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36629324

EU referendum petition signed by more than 1.5m

More than 1.5 million people have signed a petition calling for a second EU referendum, after the vote to leave.
It has more signatures than any other on the parliamentary website and as it has passed 100,000, Parliament will consider it for a debate.
The UK voted to leave the EU by 52% to 48% in Thursday's referendum but the majority of voters in London, Scotland and Northern Ireland backed Remain.
David Cameron has previously said there would be no second referendum.
On Friday he said he would stand down as prime minister by October following the leave result.
'Accept that decision'
A House of Commons spokeswoman said the petition was set up on Friday morning.
The petitions website states that it was set up by an individual called William Oliver Healey and says: "We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the Remain or Leave vote is less than 60%, based on a turnout less than 75%, there should be another referendum."
Thursday saw a 72.2% turnout, significantly higher than the 66.1% turnout at last year's general election, but below the 75% mark suggested by Mr Healey as a threshold.
A debate in Parliament is a good way to raise the profile of an issue with law makers but it does not automatically follow that there will be a change in the law.

The Scottish independence referendum in 2014 had a turnout of 84.6% - but there has not been a turnout above 75% at any general election since 1992.
The petition site temporarily went down following "exceptionally high volumes of simultaneous users on a single petition, significantly higher than on any previous occasion", a House of Commons spokeswoman said.
However, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn rejected the idea of a second referendum.
He said: "The referendum has taken place, a decision has been made. I think we have got to accept that decision and work out our relationship with Europe in the future."
'Referendum not neverendums'
UKIP leader Nigel Farage, who has campaigned for the UK to leave the EU throughout his political career, said in May that a narrow win for Remain could cause unstoppable demand for a rerun of the referendum.
He said at the time that a result that saw Remain win by 52% to 48% would mean "unfinished business by a long way".
But Mr Cameron has said the referendum was a "once in a generation, once in a lifetime" decision, saying the UK had "referendums not neverendums".
The parliamentary petitions system is overseen by the Petitions Committee, which considers whether petitions that receive more than 100,000 signatures should be raised in the House of Commons and debated.
The committee is due to sit again on Tuesday.
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In a separate petition more than 100,000 people have called on London Mayor Sadiq Khan to declare the English capital independent from the UK and apply to join the EU.
Across all 33 boroughs in London 59.9% of people voted to stay in the EU, with the Remain vote more than 70% in some boroughs.
The page, set up by James O'Malley, states: "London is an international city, and we want to remain at the heart of Europe.
"Let's face it - the rest of the country disagrees. So rather than passive aggressively vote against each other at every election, let's make the divorce official and move in with our friends on the continent."
Mr Khan has said he has no doubt London would "continue to be the successful city" but called for the UK to remain part of the single market.
Former London Mayor Boris Johnson, one of the leading Leave campaigners and the bookmakers' odds-on favourite to succeed David Cameron, has insisted the UK is not "turning its back" on Europe.
He said the decision would not make the UK any less tolerant or outward looking and would not reduce opportunities for young people.

 

Great result. Congratulations to the Brits for taking back sovereignty.

At least now they'll be spared from the migrant crisis.

 

The earliest they would actually exit from the EU is in two years. A lot of migrants can come in in that time.

 

to give an idea of how much control unelected EU ministers had over British life

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...azy-EU-rule-on-serving-olive-oil-say-MPs.html

 

That's a pretty outrageous statement. "Everything has been done with the intent to destroy Greece"?

Yes

Agree with this paragraph.