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Trump 2016: Yes. We. Can.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Honey Bear, Aug 5, 2015.

  1. Major

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    LOL. Golfing in Scotland is evidence against Xenophobia? WTF? :confused:
     
  2. Carl Herrera

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    Yeah, Trump likes white foreigners just fine. It is us dirty brown people that he and his fans do not like.
     
  3. JayGoogle

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    Sorry but that's just being naive or ignorant. Trump has married immigrants from Europe. Again, he's FINE with that (Wonder why...) but he has issues with immigrants from Mexico and he wants 0...0 immigration from Muslim countries and Muslims period.

    Ban ALL Muslims.

    and a bevy of other quotes that I'd waste my time posting here again.

    You're not getting it. A lot of people want Trump to be president because this is their issue. There is a reason why white nationalist sided with him over any other candidate. You can continue to go on about how he does this or that in Europe or once had a Czech wife but that's just playing naive or just not really understanding what the "Alt-Right" believes or wants and that is less "brown" people in "White" countries.

    This isn't an attack on conservatives. I don't think Conservatism is inherently xenophobic...but Trump is xenophobic. Clearly. If not his stance on "We speak English here!" and Mexicans then his stance on Muslims clearly scream that.
     
  4. Cohete Rojo

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    His wife and former wife are European immigrants, so what? Is every conservative politician now require to engage in a hetero-ethnic marriage to prove something to all the conspiracy minded?

    I don't agree with Trump on everything, but saying there should be a wall between the US and Mexico is not racist nor xenophobic. Despite gun control, the nurder rate in Mexico is higher than the US. They're in the midst of an all out war against and between cartels.

    I think Mexico too could benefit from the wall as it would narrow the entry points for guns and money into Mexico and drugs into the US.
     
  5. JayGoogle

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    This has nothing to do with who he married or where he plays golf at. Only you care about that. I care about the things he's said which are clearly alarming to many people. Also, LOL at "Conspiracy". Yes, it is a conspiracy that there are xenophobic and racist people in the country. I'm dreaming up some big conspiracy when it comes to that...

    Telling people to not speak spanish in this country and saying that no Muslims are allowed into the country is xenophobic.

    You gave him an excuse when it came to Mexicans and completely ignored his Muslim comments. So what are your thoughts on those?
     
  6. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    She got a law degree from Yale, a Congressional legal counsel, and was the first woman to make partner at a well respected law firm - all before her husband was governor. She was active as Arkansas's first lady in public education. To say that everything was gifted to her by her husband is somewhat sexist to be honest. She has worked hard throughout her career and has been described by her colleagues as a very hard worker and a team player. Rising in politics does involve a brand, and yes she certainly benefits from the Clinton brand - but she also has the qualifications and has put in the hard work. So say she wouldn't have amounted to anything without Bill is just ridiculous. She probably wouldn't be the nominee, but she would still have been very successful.


    Building a wall isn't xenophobic (it is a total waste of money however), building a wall to tap into xenophobia of people is just disturbing.

    There is no need to build a wall. Illegal immigration from Mexico is the biggest red herring there is. Along with attacking trade agreements for the loss in manufacturing jobs.

    80% of American manufacturing jobs were not lost to oversea competitors - in fact American manufacturing is creating more goods than at any point in history! What has happened is automation has eliminated all those jobs, which is why they will never come back. People have been replaced by machines, not Mexicans and Chinese.

    Trump plays on people's angers by scapegoating others - blame the Mexicans for our problems, blame the Muslims, blame the Chinese for our problems.

    That's playing on xenophobia. None of those groups are to blame for our problems, we are to blame. Because we live in a culture that puts being good at sports above science. Because we look at intellectuals as liars. We celebrate ignorance and let a man like Trump who knows very little about the world become a major party nominee. That's our real problem.
     
  7. JuanValdez

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    I and many others seem to agree. There has been widespread Republican support for more border security, including previous proposals to build a wall or fence, and we didn't say that was racist. We said it was an ineffectual waste of money that didn't address the 12m illegal immigrants that are already in the country, but we didn't say it was racist. It was Trump saying Mexican immigrants were rapists and drug-dealers that was racist.
     
  8. SF3isBack!!

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    This exactly. Building a wall itself isn't racist but Trumps reason for building the wall is that he's a racist. A very large percent of illegals gets here by plane. They also get here by water, spending billions on a wall and ruining trade and destroying the economy to try to make mexico do it (When they won't) is stupid. There are so many things Trump says that he will do that will not only hurt our economy but the world economy. You can't run the country like a business. There has to be thought to consequences and how they effect people's lives.
     
  9. LosPollosHermanos

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    You may be the most bipolar poster in the sense that you say logical things, and then proceed to state the completely illogical. RL saying it makes sense because he has special needs...but come on man not you.


    Scotland?
     
  10. okierock

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    Bill Clinton thought it made sense and built a wall already...
     
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    Labour and Democrats are out of touch. So full of themselves they can't see the anger. They are taking huge risks with their approach. Will this Brexit news finally wake them up or we looking at President Trump?
     
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    That would be news to Cameron that he's a member of Labour.
     
  15. ipaman

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    You're making my point. Cameron is a perfect example of the people being sick and tired of everyone. He is resigning and probably replaced by UK's very own Trump Boris Johnson. All the bookies had EU Stay winning and the people shocked everyone by voting EU Exit. Nationalist/loyalist attitudes are at an all time high during a period of peace!!! Why because folks and their jobs, their well being. Politics need to pay attention to the people and what's important. Trump has tapped in while Hilary and the Dems are acting like everything is fine, we like the way things are and will keep them the same. That's the perception.
     
  16. Major

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    So if Trump loses, does that mean the people are actually not sick and tired of everyone and that everything is fine?
     
  17. ipaman

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    No just that Trump is too crazy to be viable. The repubs really blew it because it is their for the taking.
     
  18. Major

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    So basically, you've created for yourself a perfect setup where you can never be wrong. If he wins, it's proof you're right. If he loses, he was just the wrong guy. Lets you keep living in your bubble no matter what the reality is.
     
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  19. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    These are incredible. Did I miss a link to find more though?
     
  20. ipaman

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    His nomination has proven people are angry his loss will prove people are not crazy. Nothing to do with me and doesn't change the fact that repubtards blew it.
     

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