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Trump 2016: Yes. We. Can.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Honey Bear, Aug 5, 2015.

  1. okierock

    okierock Member

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    Emmotional much?

    Trump owns Hotels and airplanes... so his campaign stays at them/flys on them... Hillary doesn't own that stuff?

    Trump is his brand... kinda like Coke. Duh?

    ah the old okra vs **** argument...

    In case you didn't know, your opinion is not fact.
     
  2. LosPollosHermanos

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    Let me get this straight. Someone that has openly shown that he disregards the constitution on multiple fronts---criticized by republicans on that is somehow better than Hillary.

    I didn't even have to cite additional reasons. The man has a dictatorship mentality and members of his own party in congress say that he doesn't understand the separation of powers and checks and balances of the U.S govt.

    How are you anything but delusional. Say you like the guy, but stating that he is better than Hilary warrants this response.
     
  3. krosfyah

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    So are you suggesting it's okay for Trump to take campaign donations and spend other people's money at his own properties? Who negotiates the rates?

    I never heard of Mr. Coke? Who is that?

    Seriously, everybody is their own brand. Hilary is a brand too. Point being, it's hypocritical to accuse Clinton of self promotion when speaking in the same context of Trump.

    Huh? I made up that analogy (proud of that one too).

    Yes, I have an opinion ...and you did a poor job of countering it.
     
  4. ima_drummer2k

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    The same Republicans that propped him up as a protest candidate a few months ago. This is the end result of all that raging against the "establishment" Republicans rhetoric that's been spewed on talk radio all throughout the primary season.

    What mind-boggling to me is that they didn't see this coming. How could anyone NOT see this coming? :confused:
     
  5. okierock

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    I apologize for leading you to believe that I think Trump is better than Hillary. I think they are both scum. I do hold our politicians to a higher standard than a loud mouthed business man. Trump as far as I know hasn't totally disregarded the safety of our nations private information in an effort to protect his own a$$ as far as I know. He also hasn't tried to misinform the US of his role in the deaths of American servicemen by blaming movies to my knowledge.

    He is definitely not a better politician than Hillary but that is like saying he is not a more poisonous snake than Hillary.

    I will vote for whoever has a chance to beat Hillary that I don't think will load up our supreme court with liberal justices. Based on the candidates presented, the POTUS is a lost cause for the next 4 years unless somebody picks a good VP and something happens to one of these two outstanding people. Considering who they are, I'd say either of them have a good chance of being impeached if given the chance.
     
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  6. JuanValdez

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    This is as bad as the criticism that Sanders spent $200m on nothing. They spend money because they are running for President and that requires the use of assets and the work of people, and those things need to be compensated. So, he spent $350k to fly on the Trump plane. His business incurred risk in getting and operating the plane, incurred costs for fueling and operating plane. So long as $350k is a reasonable market price, it doesn't matter if he acquired the services of his company or some other. Sure, that means his company recaptures some of that donor money as profit. It also has a potential opportunity cost of other business they could not serve because they were doing the campaign business. And, nepotism is a 2 way street. The business gets the captured customer, but the campaign gets a vendor highly interested in providing excellent service. So, who is taking advantage of whom here? The business or the campaign? Seems to me like it's good for both parties and neutral for the donor.

    And again, on the astronomical sum of $1m: it's not much money, especially since we're just talking topline revenue before any COGS or expenses. If there is corruption, it's one of the more pedestrian cons I've heard of.

    I like finding things to revile Trump for, but this one isn't doing it for me.

    I will concede this: one should not only conduct oneself without impropriety but without even the look of impropriety. There would be no question of bad dealing if Trump had made arm's length deals with unaffiliated companies. I don't think it should be illegal, however, to do business with yourself. It should be disclosed and scrutinized, which it is.
     
  7. okierock

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    There is simply nothing below board here.

    Ever heard of WALT DISNEY WORLD...

    I have no problem with Hillary promoting herself?

    I'm not sure what the counter to your analogy should be, but I like okra and it's not so slimy when it's fried? **** isn't slimy either when its all dried out?

    Trump owns Hotels and stays at them and his campaign pays for the time there? So what? If he wasn't paying for his time at those same hotels there would be campaign violations... which you would be whining about too.

    He has hotels named Trump... so what?
     
  8. NewRoxFan

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    Makes perfect sense as to why you are voting for Trump... :grin:
     
  9. okierock

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    oops, I fixed it

    I'm kinda hoping that the GOP puts somebody else in there but that would be just as big a disaster as Trump so... freakin idiots have screwed this election cycle. Letting Trump represent the GOP seemed like a good idea when he was getting all that press for everyone for free but I guess they never saw where that was going to lead.
     
  10. krosfyah

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    If you take it at face value. Trump, however, has a LONG history of taking financial liberties anywhere and everywhere. My original point is this is worthy of further investigation. That's all.

    There are zillions of companies named after the founder. The point being is many accuse Clinton as selfish. (not sure if you do). Any other election cycle, this would hold water but not when her opponent is Trump because Clinton is an amateur in relation.

    Your trying too hard.

    The what is ...this will be further investigated. Trump has a LONG history of screwing people out of money.

    Here's trump's response to his bankrupt casinos.

    "All I can say is I wasn’t representing the country. I wasn’t representing the banks. I wasn’t representing anybody but myself.”

    That pretty much sums up Trump. ...and there is no reason to believe he runs his campaign any differently.
     
  11. peleincubus

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    As someone said earlier how could NOT see where this was leading. If every candidate has a certain % of idiots supporting him or her. For instance say 45% of Hilary's supporters are idiots (not counting the people that are resigned to the act of voting for her) I would guess around 85% or more of the people that actively support Trump are complete certifiable idiots. And that was enough numerically to make the other R candidates drop out. And Cruz was too far behind and too weak (bat ***** crazy) of a candidate to take advantage once the other people had dropped out.

    And... now this is where we are at. The Republicans are to the point where they are going to lose the 6th out of the last 7 popular votes in the Presidential elections. There are just not enough people at the top of the income bracket that can finance and trick the black, hispanic, or lbgt to vote with them. Nor is there enough of a uneducated white majority anymore to win the national election.

    Trump may just be the catalyst to stir this country and what comes from it may be a better more sympathetic populous. And hopefully they will start taking some of the money from the military and start putting that towards educating and training this country.
     
  12. JuanValdez

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    Sure. I'm sure there are journalists doing that right now. All they've reported right now is that he did business with himself. They haven't said the services were not rendered or were unnecessary or that the fees were unreasonable. If a paper or a rival campaign or the FEC can come back with some substantiation along those lines then it's time to pay attention. Right now, it's just a little innuendo to create a headline.

    Trump does have a history of financial gymnastics, but that doesn't mean this is one. I'm actually much more alarmed by the story that he's using his non-profit entity for campaign purposes. If I was digging up dirt on Trump, I'd go there before I worried about how much the hors d'oeuvres cost at his campaign events.
     
  13. Carl Herrera

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    Given the $ amount involved, Trump isn't close to getting a net financial benefit from this campaign even with these payments to Trump entities for what I think are legitimate services-- and he won't unless there is a dramatic turnaround in his fundraising level. At best, he's recovering a small portion of what he spent (in terms of the "loans" he gave to the campaign).

    The bigger point, I think, is that Trump, who claims to be this master at making money and running businesses and wants voters to let him run the U.S. government based on his competence, isn't doing a very good job showing that he can run his campaign operation effectively.
     
  14. Invisible Fan

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    The government will pay for that. **** the government. Trump the businessman rocks.

    #CircularHillbillyLogic
     
  15. RocketsLegend

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    This is what we're up against

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    And you're getting dominated.
     
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    "Why can't I fire this guy?"
    or
    "His policies are what?!?"
    or
    "F&^k, we're stuck with him"

    Choose your own adventure, suckers....
    ....

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  18. Carl Herrera

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    This is pretty telling about Trump and his supporters. What you people really want to do is go back to the days when "political correctness" was not around to prevent you people from bullying ******s, wetbacks, ****, kikes, trannies, chinks... without facing the consequences. Didn't you hear that your candidate was gonna be the best President ever for the LGBT community? Guess why nobody is buying this BS.

    This is what we are up against. I like our chances.
     
  20. Cohete Rojo

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    Maybe some posters should tone it down and quit projecting.
     

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