Florida Night Club Shooting - at least 20 dead - impact on US elections?

Would you like a "Jump to Conclusions" map?

What is my theory exactly?? That he was a domestic terrorist that killed 50 people in the name of extreme Islam? You know.... that is what he said, and is also consistent with the facts known in the case.

Further the point was demonstrating that he clearly WAS religious, and had a long term history of being religious. His history and actions are consistent with it.


Also concerning the idea that many people are religion and that I am "down with religion".... were you aware that only weeks before the shooting, the Mosque that the shooter attended hosted imam Shaleshfar?

The same imam that has called for the execution of homosexuals? Lets also be clear.... the Mosque was WELL aware of Shalehfar's position, because the title of the speech he gave at the Mosque the shooter attended?

"How to deal with the phenomenon of homosexuality"

Would you like some quotes from the wonderful Imam?

"Death is the sentence. There is nothing to be embarassed about this. We have to have compassion for people, homosexuals the same. Out of compassion lets get rid of them." - 2013 (and numerous other times)

Mathloom didn't debunk any Saudi Arabia theory, he went on two religious pilgrimages in the last few years, that cannot be debunked because Saudi Arabia has admitted that is the case. Why did he go on a religious pilgrimage? .... because he was religious.

Also, guess what other place the shooter was targeting? Disney World.... clearly a den of homosexuality.

You can attempt to strain and turn a blind eye. However the fact is that the shooter was religious, had a history of supporting the cause of radical Islam (was suspended in school for supporting 9-11), pledged allegiance to ISIS and expressed sympathy for the Boston Bombers.... and last....

I will leave you with this little nugget...... the shooter was a member of a small Mosque...... that now has produced TWO terrorists, and now has a body count of rivaling the size of the members of the Mosque. Moner-Muhammad Abu Salha was a member of the same Mosque, lived in the same town in Florida and was friends with the Orlando shooter. In 2013-2014 he admitted he traveled to the Middle East and was trained as a martyr. He ultimately drove a truck of explosives into an internet cafe.

Robert Stewart also attended the same Mosque, and was well aware of Salha's plans...... so that is three people all affiliated with the same small Mosque that have known or been directly involved with terrorism.

Hey on the bright side a neighbor said that the Orlando shooter recently "let" his wife drive a car! Now THAT is progress.

 

Sadly I am not shocked by this.

Somewhere Christopher Hitchens is red in the face and screaming.

 

Milo went of off

 

Unlikely. He lost all color in his face in his last days.

 

He made it very clear he wouldn't be going anywhere when he died.

 

What day did the shooting take place on?

 

I know... it was tongue and cheek.

Although he did seem to slightly soften at the very end when discussing benign believers.

 

Here you go:

How the Orlando nightclub shooting unfolded: A timeline

Why are you deflecting any possibility of a LGBT related attack at a Disney owned property?

TIME - Orlando Shooter Bought Gun Legally, Store Owner Says

DailyBeast - How the Orlando Killer Omar Mateen Got His Guns

 

So.... LGBT days at Disney ran from the end of May through June 6th.... and the shooting happened on June 12th.

I also want to make clear that I am not saying homosexuality was not something that bothered the shooter or wasn't even selected as a class by the shooter. What I am saying is that the fuel to what he did; and what justified and even sanctified what he did was extremist Islam.

Supposedly the night of the shooting, he had his wife drive to a number of targets. It will be interesting to see where all the targets were.

 

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lolol. :grin:

dude. i never said anything refuting him being religious. where is this coming from. what post directed toward you did i say he was not religious? there's a crap-ton of religious people everywhere.

he also said he there were snipers on buildings outside of pulse and there was a detonator. he says a lot of things. things like supporting three different terrorist groups that fight each other. he also said he was going to shoot up his elementary school while in the 5th grade because he was being bullied.

let me hurry up and take everything this dude says as gospel.

oh that one. that's the one where the fbi said this, right?

the fbi has since said as of now, there is nothing that could have been done differently that was in their power.

i haven't heard this. link?

other stuff... koran quotes, muslim wife driving... whatevs. your theory reads like a john grisham novel. i'll accept your theory if it comes to fruition, but evidence, so far anway isn't pointed that way.

the deep end.

 

Targets other than Pulse on the night of the shooting? Reports say she drove her husband to Pulse to "case" or "scout" before the attack; weeks ago, a day before, the same early morning of the attack, who really knows?

There's a blogger out there saying that media reports about the wife are not true:

Sam Husseini Communications director, Institute for Public Accuracy
HuffPost - Noor Zahi Salman: Everything You're Hearing About Me Is a Lie

Spoiler

 

A guy that was a closet homosexual and hit up dudes on the low while being married and drank to the point of being belligerent is religious. Riiiight.

 

Sure they can be religious or spiritual in nature. But they can't hit up guys on the DL while being MARRIED and drink alcohol to the point of being "belligerent." This MF wasn't religious. I'm not religious.

 

According to a freed journalist, ISIS members are more politically driven than anything. They don't talk about the scripture probably because they've never read it. They don't talk about religious topics.. They mostly talk about politics. Here's a novel thought.. We don't go into Iraq, Afghanistan and other countries, we're not having this conversation.

 

Not only just that but it's never actually been proven that the guy was a closet homosexual or that he ever had a homosexual relationship with anyone ever. The only thing we know about him with any certainty is that he was married, had a kid, and was a radicalized Muslim who carried out a terrorist attack and killed a lot of people.

 

If Christians took parts of the Old Testament seriously, we'd be discussing the latest horrific act by Christians, not that untold numbers of horrific acts haven't occurred over the course of history in the name of that religion. The KKK often evoked God as they hanged innocent Blacks from tree limbs, saying they were doing "God's will." That wasn't so long ago.

For hundreds of years, Christians tortured and killed those they saw as practicing a different religion than the "correct" one. Protestants were murdered for believing in God. Jews were, and still are, killed, beaten up, and discriminated against for simply being Jews, and that happened for hundreds and hundreds of years, when Israel was an impossible dream. Catholics killed Catholics, when they weren't busy killing everyone else, depending on the country they were from. Spain, for instance.

We can single out the Islamic religion, if we like, but I know Muslims who don't take every word in the Koran literally, just as the vast majority of Christians don't subscribe to much of the Old Testament. All my opinion, of course, except for the beliefs of the Muslims I know personally. I can vouch for them, and they are appalled at what happened in Orlando. As sickened by it as anyone else.