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Trump 2016: Yes. We. Can.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Honey Bear, Aug 5, 2015.

  1. marky :)

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  2. TheRealist137

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    Deport those traitors and Trump will surely win the election.

    -RocketsLegend
     
  3. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Here a surgical dissection of Trump's 48 hours after the Orlando tragedy:

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/14/opinions/how-trump-failed-his-first-big-test-obeidallah/index.html

    1. Trump suggested on Monday that President Obama was sympathetic to the Muslim terrorists who have killed Americans: "Our government, we're led by a man that is a very-- look, we're led by a man that either is not tough, not smart, or he's got something else in mind." Trump, who has a long history of implying that Obama is secretly a Muslim, then emphasized, "There's something going on. It's inconceivable. There's something going on."

    2. Only hours after the attack Sunday and with scores of people in the hospital fighting for their lives, Trump congratulated himself on Twitter for predicting that Americans would one day be killed by terrorists.

    3. On Sunday afternoon Trump tweeted,
    "Reporting that Orlando killer shouted "Allah hu Akbar!" as he slaughtered club-goers."
    Trump just apparently copied down and shared things he had read ... where? On Twitter? This is not about political correctness, it's about his failing to ensure that he is correct before sharing information hours after a horrible tragedy.

    4. Trump attempted to use the Orlando tragedy to support his baseless claim from months ago that "thousands" of Muslims were cheering in New Jersey as the twin towers came down on 9/11. Trump tweeted late Monday afternoon that, "I thought people weren't celebrating? They were cheering all over, even this savage from Orlando. I was right."

    5. In much the same way Trump attempted to advance his own agenda by labeling American-born federal Judge Gonzalo Curiel a "Mexican," on Monday, in his major speech about terrorism, Trump said the Orlando shooter "was born an Afghan." The gunman was in fact born in New York and was an American: his parents immigrated to the United States from Afghanistan.

    6. In his speech, Trump reiterated his idea for a Muslim ban as a way to prevent future Orlando-type shootings. It is dangerous, un-American nonsense on many levels, but at its most basic: How would that ban have stopped the 29-year-old gunman — homegrown, born and raised in America?
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    Not very presidential, folks. Appallingly misinformed, unsteady, and self-centered. Astounding 48 hours there when we needed a uniting calm instead of a divisive panic.
     
  4. rocketsjudoka

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    Should also included that Trump said he will do more for the LGBT community than Clinton by banning Muslims from entering the country.

    I did like the President's response to Trump regarding using the term "radical Islam." Not using that term certainly hasn't deterred this Admin. from launching drone strike in many countries, airstrikes in Iraq and Syria and boots on the ground in Iraq.
     
  5. RocketsLegend

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    Clinton News Network back at it again with that anti-trump hit piece.
     
  6. GladiatoRowdy

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    Feel free to ignore my response, I know you don't have any actual answers.
     
  7. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Which of the facts are you disputing? He did each of those things. Facts exist and you should not ignore them.

    Your candidate is often tweeting and speaking falsehoods. For most people, that is a big problem.
     
  8. TheRealist137

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    the final hit-piece will be in November. Trump will win the election going away but all of the media and the government will report that Clinton won thus cheating Trump out of his deserved presidency.
     
  9. NewRoxFan

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    LOL... ABC News / Washington Post poll. And its the latest poll, suspect others will also show an increased unfavorability based on his latest offensive statements.

    At some point Clinton won't even need to campaign... simply let Trump make more and more people dislike him.
     
  10. RocketsLegend

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    The link literary has the word "opinion" in it and it was written by Obeidallah. Do you want to see what else he has written about Trump?

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/04/opinions/trump-low-information-obeidallah/

    http://blog.siriusxm.com/2016/06/10/deanobeidallahjune11show/

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/24/opinions/trump-attack-on-bill-clinton-opinion-obeidallah/

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/24/opinions/support-trump-support-bigotry-obeidallah/

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/30/opinions/obeidallah-trump-pants-on-fire/index.html

    Do you people really expect fair and balance reporting on Trump from Clinton News Network?
     
  11. JuanValdez

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    I don't disagree with you that this terrorism is borne out of how the Quran is interpreted to encourage violence by some Muslims. I think it is a valid interpretation and that the adherents to this reading are real Muslims (so far as I can tell). But, it obviously is not the only or even the most common interpretation.

    So then how should we call the terrorists and how should we characterize their faith in the context of all a whole marketplace of interpretations of Islam of which they are only one? We can say -- as some do here -- that Islam is a death cult because it can be interpreted in this way, and make 1B+ Muslims our enemy. Aside from being unwise, it seems intellectually facile because it ignores the other ways in which interpretation of the Quran has manifested itself. It is as intellectually dishonest as saying the terrorists aren't real Muslims. The honest approach is to recognize their interpretation is in competition with other interpretations. It is also strategically advantageous to US policy because we can support and ally with other, more peaceful interpretations and try to help them win primacy over the violent jihadi version.

    "Political correctness" in this area then is recognizing the finer theological distinctions and using particular language in public relations to get the effect you want of embracing friendly Islam and opposing violent Islam. But Trumpists won't have that. I think there's a strain of anti-intellectualism (which Conservatives have been nurturing for some time now) that is intellectually lazy and suspicious of academic pursuits like distinguishing between systems of theological interpretation. They see it as needless mincing of words and as too much ambiguity. It's so much easier to call Islam a death-cult and be done with it. So Trump has taken this tact -- just cut through all the ambiguity and identify Islam as your enemy. The problem is he'll make 1B people our enemy. Even those who fight ISIS won't see a friend in us. It's a dangerous approach to take, and stupid since we've already developed something more nuanced to improve our chances of success.
     
  12. Rashmon

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    Only in your world would Trump's own words be construed as a "hit piece" against him.

    I may need to take you off ignore for the tragically comedic value that your posts bring to the board.
     
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  13. SF3isBack!!

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    All major news networks are reporting about Trump in this same manner. If anything CNN helped Trump with all of the free press he's been getting for the past year where virtually no one said anything after he told lies. At some point I imagine even CNN got tired of the bull****.
     
  14. JuanValdez

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    I fully expect an enduring conspiracy theory after the election that Establishment players in government and the media rigged it to steal the presidency from Trump and report it to the American people in a way to make them believe Clinton was really the more popular.
     
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    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    It's actually not a problem for most people, which is a problem for most people.
     
  16. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Supports Vets but accuses OUR Soldiers of stealing money in Iraq

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  17. NewRoxFan

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    Gee, this doesn't seem to be a large or representative enough list of instances where Trump's own words were used against him by CNN. Could you list more?
     
  18. Rashmon

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    As even our most extremist conservative ideologues cowardly slink away and try to blend in to the background, rocketslegend stands strong.

    A shining example of a true Trump supporter.

    KUDOS
     
  19. rocketsjudoka

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    You don't need to wait. Sanders supporters have been saying since the beginning that the establishment and media rigged the election for Clinton.
     
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    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    OMG. Trump has doubled down on "Obama supports ISIS" and is citing Brietbart "articles".

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump">@realDonaldTrump</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/POTUS">@POTUS</a> we now have a presidential candidate so delusional he bans WaPo and pumps conspiracy theories through Breitbart.</p>&mdash; Isaac Saul (@Ike_Saul) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ike_Saul/status/743076334608523265">June 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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