Florida Night Club Shooting - at least 20 dead - impact on US elections?

Teach someone from birth they are an abomination before God and all kinds of awful things are going to happen later on.

 

Apparently yes.

 

We've seen many examples - from the Unabomber to some of the Watchmen/Red Brigades to some of the 9/11 guys - of this. Intelligent people can still hold radical views and/or be mentally unstable.

 

There's a difference between being book smart and overall smart.

 

Yeah, this is getting really weird. NPR reported this morning that there are reports that Mateen was seen around and inside Pulse before the shooting. There are reports that he may have been there before up to 30 times according to one source and another guy has turned his mobile over to the FBI with evidence that Mateen used the Jacked dating app. My gut is telling me that his 911 about ISIS was some sort of smokescreen to cover up his real intentions. He may have well been in the closet and couldn't handle it emotionally and mentally especially being Muslim and all. Plus one of his coworkers recalled him cheering when an ISIS target was taken out.

 

America has no shortage of non-immigrant residents who are more than willing to teach their kids they are abominations and that God hates them.

 

Or of cults that require complete disconnection of family members for simply not believing the same as a "dear leader". This guy was special in that his situation put him in a position to take multiple trips to states who sponsor islamic terror and have meetings with terrorists.

westboro baptist has far more former members raised in the church than current total members.

 

Well if you can be a racist demagogue and shady businessman who gamed the system time and time again and still run for President while espousing bigotry and hatred for non Caucasians I'd say that Hillary has nothing to worry about qualifications wise.

 

I disagree - this is looking more to me like he made that 911 call as a smokescreen to hide his true motive. The guy had been on the watch list, yes but that's not unusual as there many Muslims who wind up on that list for doing something as innocuous as attending a Mosque when the wrong speaker is there. There's an awful lot of overreach going on right now with all of the paranoia over "radical Islamism". He worked a security company that actually had govt clearance to provide security at govt facilities. No way he could have held that job and be an ISIS sympathizer. Now he did get reported for angry and bigoted outbursts and he did threaten a fellow employee the company basically did nothing so that's on them.

 

Sort of like what the white Europeans did to the native Americans when they emigrated to this country, eh? And let us not forget those Italian immigrants who brought their Mafia and La Costra Nostra along with them as well.

 

possibly scouting out his target(s)...

 

ISIS ALWAYS claims responsibility. It's what they do. Their latest claim is that murder of a policeman and his wife over in France by another Muslim with mental issues.

And exactly just what are you and all of the other angry and afraid Caucasians trying to do? Just like Trump you are using this event to justify your prejudices and fear of those who don't look, act or think like you. The funny thing is that the more you go down this path, the more you end up helping those whom you consider to be your enemies. This was an act by a mentally unbalanced person who was able to legally gain access to military-grade weapons and used them in the most heinous means possible. He could have just as easily driven up to Wet n Wild or Sea World and opened fire for maximum terroristic effect. Instead, he chose this nightclub which I find very, very strange. But please, don't let me interrupt your feelings of paranoia...

 

I'm fully for banning all guns. But I can sorta see why the second amendment is held so sacred by many here in the US. If the gun argument is, that we need it to protect ourselves against criminals...why in the world are assault weapons not banned? I am guessing here, but think most errrrday folks don't have these AR-15 type semi automatic weapons at home, ready to shoot down and intruder. I don't think hunting with them is very practical and hope not legal. So to me it only makes sense to ban these types of weapons? Or is the paranoia so intense that one might think banning assault rifles will only lead to banning all hand guns?

 

Well you can disagree all you like but the facts are sort of against you. He's a guy that was twice investigated by the FBI for possible terror links and he claimed that his actions were terror related and done for ISIS. His father also came out and said that his son's actions were terror related.....but I guess you can ignore all of that and go with some dreamed up narrative about this ONLY being about him being a closet homosexual.

 

Not sure I understand where you are coming from. Just to clarify a few things...

Terrorist or not, he was tormented. In no way that excuses his behaviors. And in no way that takes away from gay people that suffer for various reasons, including choosing to leave a Religion or to stick it out and may suffer mighty through repression or however the person handle the conflict of belonging to a Religion that teaches how sinful the person is for being gay.

I don't know if it's a well know axiom. It certainly wasn't something I thought is common and still don't think so.

 

It doesn't really look like it's terrorism any more.

 

How on earth can you say that?