I could see that as a possibility, but Jaime has no obligation to help the Starks other than shipping Brienne. The Tully army surrendered all their weapons, and why would Edmure believe Jaime has any honor when the Lannister family orchestrated the biggest massacre of the Tully/Stark family? That doesn't make much sense for the Tully army to surrender a fort, where they have the advantage of defending behind walls and a moat, to join the siege of Winterfell.
I don't think there's a need for that small tully army to serve in any capacity, whether it's for a sneak surprise or deserters waiting to enlist. I'm guessing Littlefinger rides in to save the day, but that preview looked so Roman vs barbarians. Not so good for Snow. Maybe what we're seeing here is a flimsy handling of resolving all the characters GRRM expanded even more. Entropy isn't an easy thing to wrangle in. She's a good enough fighter and more than observant enough to use those skills without stealing faces. That last scene was one of the few payoffs for this episode because even though it resolved like a flimsy video game quest, we finally see Jacquen finally pay off that stupid debt. Just have to forget that he lost twice his investment in training new faceless killers.
Let's see what's coming up in ..... Dragons, Unsullied, Dothraki fighting a mercenary fleet and army. The Snow Bowl Mad Queen Cersei The Hound vs Zombies To all the haters, why stick with a show for 6 seasons? Stop killing our buzz man.
It's rather simple. My theory is grounded in both Jaime conversations, plus the comment the other commander says to Jaime, "if you plan doesn't work, you just gave away our most valuable prisoner." It's obvious something was agreed offline between Edmure and Jaime. Your theory says the whole Riverrun business meant nothing. I mean, if you are right and Jaime gets Edmure to surrender the fort with a mere threat of killing his son he doesn't even know, may never meet, from a wife he only knew for 8 hours, and Jaime just takes the forts, takes the Tully army prisoner, or let's the Frey army kill the Tully's ... what was the whole point. You're whole idea is grounded in saying this is all bad writing. Mine isn't.
You can say my theory that there was an offline agreement where Jamie gives Edmure the same proposition that Brienne gave Jaime is jumping to conclusions. But your conclusion is just -- "That was bad writing" and "wtf was Riverrun all about."
I thought Jaqen was supposed to be wise but he looked like a moron when he told Arya she had finally become no one when it was the complete opposite..Arya was rebelling against your beliefs because she wanted to remain herself bro. Then that goofy smile as she walks away like "oh gee golly she got me!!"
Seemed like Jacquen wanted to see how far Arya's spunk and determination would go. That's been consistent to me.
This. Ayra's journey was finding herself, however lame that ended up being based on the viewer. She had a choice, and she decided against being No One. Regardless of the conclusion, it will be interesting to see how and if Arya reunites with the rest of the Starks. Maybe she will travel where no one has ever before like she mused. Lastly, Jacquen put Arya through some pretty harsh tests and training to see how far Arya could go which culminated in a pretty sweet chase scene with Waif the Terminator. It was an interesting story arc and can't wait to see what role, if any, Arya plays in the war for the dawn.
But why would he want that? In the books the whole reason the Faceless Men exist is for a person to pledge their identity, surrender their grudges and agree to become no one. What Arya did goes against everything they stand for? Did he just do it for ****s and giggles?
Disclaimer: yes I am disappointed by the episode, but I agree that we should cut back on the negativity for the sake of discussion. ------------- You guys want a book reason for why Arya won in the dark (that hasn't been explored in the show, but likely never will)? Spoiler The Stark children are ALL capable of warging into their wolves, but only a few know they can. Book-Arya (unknowingly) wargs into Nymeria regularly while dreaming. There is one incident in particular where it is implied that she also "wargs" into a cat while blind and uses it's sight to complete her training. In other words, having actual night-vision (via a cat) could trump any of the waif's training. As for Riverrun, I feel like it was used more as a device to explore Jaime's continued evolution. He has chosen a definitive path. We see that he has embodied Cersei and truly become a monster in his heart. At the same time, we see him interacting with Brienne, the embodiment of everything he should/could have been as an honorable knight. Him refusing "oathkeeper" was his way of demonstrating that he is now in complete acceptance of this nature. And yes, I believe Qyburn is referring to the stores of wild-fire to Cersei. The plot is moving towards a "burn them all" mentality for Cersei-Jamie. -------- I am curious about Tommen's proclamation. He may be brainwashed, but Margery isn't; Loras was also screwed by the decision. Why would she let it happen? Where do you guys think Varys is going to? Which house in Westeros would give their support to the mythical Dragon Queen? And finally, I couldn't help but grin when I saw the Good Masters' ships attacking. We FINALLY get to see the true potential of the dragons and (may) also get to see the Ironborn fleet in action!
Besides all that, Meereen continued to be the worst thing in the world of ice and fire. There's almost no point at all to Essos in the series. If this was a video game, it's just a random forest where you level up your guys. I was very intrigued by Arya's curiosity about what's west of Westeros, but it looks like that thread's gonna go unpulled. Maybe it's better that way since Volantis was just a quick brothel stop.
Many are asking questions about the ending of The faceless man sequence... The waif was already in training when Arya arrives and seems to have a huge hate toward Arya (if a girl is no one, she wouldn't feel this way). Maybe because Arya being highborn was enough to make her angry. Maybe her own personal demon is haunting her. In the end Hagar finds the waif's face on the wall, and he says "a girl has become no one." When he says this, he is talking about the Waif, his trainee who failed. He told the waif not to make her suffer and looked disappointed when the waif was so eager to murder out of hate. I'm sure he instructed her to become no one but this was a sign she would always be the waif. Because of the outcome, it is clear the waif couldn't become "no one" and failed her test of putting her feelings aside and killing Arya. So, her failure to do so, meant she died, thus becoming no one. Hagar saw the futility of killing Arya at this point and that because she spared him, he would spare her. A life pays for a life... and now the debt is paid
