Baylor Bears Football Thread

Brando2101 · Jun 9, 2016

gucci888 said: ↑

Hearing that BU is not going to release any of the players. Things could change but sounds like kids will have to wait until the 24th or 25th for the appeal to go to the NLI board. Per the NLI website, an appeal can take 6-8 weeks to process.
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Yea but I don't know if they have made it "official" to the point where the recruits could make their appeal to the NCAA.

Here is the link to the video package of the girls that made accusations last night. (Embed code doesn't seem to work.)

http://www.kcentv.com/story/3218052...rt=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=12504451

Buck Turgidson · Jun 9, 2016

This is painful to watch.

gucci888 · Jun 9, 2016

sammy said: ↑

Everyone already hates Baylor. They could let everyone out but people will still complain about the assistants being there. You all want Baylor to do a self-imposed death penalty (essentially).. There are players that are not leaving and that would give the option to say ef it we're out of here too. Why stop there? Let's give releases to all current players. You all will only be happy if Baylor is buried 6 feet under.
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What were you expecting? People want blood nowadays and you guys haven't delivered. Outside of a few assistants that no one cares about, no one has been officially fired. Both Starr and the AD resigned and y'all didn't even have the balls to fire Briles straight up. Furthermore, you talk about a self-imposed death penalty when there has been zero information about any self-imposed sanctions of any kind whatsoever.

But on top of that, a lot of BU fans have just been a$$es about the whole thing. Taking the ad out to thank Starr, publicly victim shaming, etc...all adds fuel to the fire. Sucks because these folks shouldn't rep y'all as a whole but being objective as I can possibly be, you guys simply haven't done enough to appease the public mob. And you can say you don't care to but pretty obvious that you do.

rockbox · Jun 9, 2016

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https://www.facebook.com/JenksCSN/videos/1741015356174125/

This is almost exactly how I feel about the situation.

Nook · Jun 9, 2016

sammy said: ↑

Everyone already hates Baylor. They could let everyone out but people will still complain about the assistants being there. You all want Baylor to do a self-imposed death penalty (essentially).. There are players that are not leaving and that would give the option to say ef it we're out of here too. Why stop there? Let's give releases to all current players. You all will only be happy if Baylor is buried 6 feet under.
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Yes, normal people would complain about the assistants being employed at Baylor based on the report of systemic failure. The assistants were involved and culpable. Keeping them is just another effort by Baylor to have their cake and eat it too. They don't really want to pay the price for running and condoning a football program out of control.

It is amazing that they haven't let these kids out of their commitments yet.

The response that fans/normal people was buried 6 feet deep shows how out of touch or in denial you are. Baylor should entirely clean house and they should release their commitments. There seems to be this idea that Baylor shouldn't really suffer on the field for what happened and it should be football as usual... No, there are consequences.

sammy · Jun 10, 2016

We've lost Art Briles and all of our recruits. We will suffer on the field man. Gtfoh

SamCassell · Jun 10, 2016

To not let 18 year old kids out of their commitments is fairly petty and small, given the change in circumstances that those kids could not have anticipated. And not doing so is going to send a message to future recruits, as well.

Nook · Jun 10, 2016

sammy said: ↑

We've lost Art Briles and all of our recruits. We will suffer on the field man. Gtfoh
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I know! What's the big deal. Come on, let's get back to football. I had a good time at Baylor, no one assaulted or raped me or looked the other way when it happen. Shrugs ... Let's see how many recruits we can keep, gotta make Saturday's interesting... The coordinators are the same, hoping for a good season. Man should have just kicked the kids off the team, the ones caught aren't that good. Nebraska had a running back drag a biotch down a flight of stairs and no one was sanctioned. Baylor is being singled out. Man I bet they asked for it. Atleast we still have our QB.

DonnyMost · Jun 10, 2016

http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...eforms-to-clean-up-and-save-college-football/

Great article by Dodd

J.R. · Jun 10, 2016

As Baylor reviews transfer athletes, ex-football player cites unfairness

Brando2101 · Jun 10, 2016

TLDR: Dismissed Baylor player denies sexual assault allegation to ESPN and gives them her number. She tells ESPN he forced her to do things sexually and she later contacted him asking about his sexual health history. New Baylor head coach told a Juco coach that if the player goes quietly then they'll stop the investigation and not stop him from playing elsewhere.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...r-says-get-fair-chance-clear-name-stay-school

A Baylor spokeswoman told Outside the Lines the university is reviewing the backgrounds of all incoming athletes who have transferred to the school from other athletic programs.

At least one player is no longer part of the football team and university in part because of the review. Defensive tackle Jeremy Faulk, who played at Garden City (Kansas) Community College and at Florida Atlantic University, told Outside the Lines that he was questioned by Baylor coaches on June 1 about an incident he was involved in at Florida Atlantic. He said he was also questioned about an alleged sexual assault that may have occurred in April on the Baylor campus, when he was on the Baylor team. No charges were filed in either case; Faulk, who denies sexually assaulting anyone, said he's never been asked by police to discuss the alleged April incident.

Faulk's departure has angered Jeff Sims, a former assistant at Florida Atlantic and the former head coach at Garden City. Sims, who coached Faulk at both schools, says Baylor is trying to rid itself of anyone who has had an allegation made against him, true or not. And he's disturbed by something he said new Baylor interim coach Jim Grobe told him when he called to ask why Faulk's status on the team was in jeopardy over the alleged April incident.

"Grobe says to me, 'Listen, if he just leaves, he can go on, and we won't stop him from playing anywhere, and this investigation will stop.'" Flabbergasted at the notion a sexual assault investigation might disappear if an accused player were to leave the team, Sims said he pressed Grobe, but Grobe struggled to be more specific before implying that Baylor administrators had made him remove the player from the team.

Baylor has been at the center of nationwide attention over its handling of sexual assault allegations and investigations, including several that have involved athletes. In recent weeks, Baylor has dealt with the fallout from that negative attention: the demotion and then the resignation of former university president and chancellor Kenneth Starr; the pending firing of football coach Art Briles; the suspension and then the resignation of athletic director Ian McCaw; and the firings of multiple athletic department employees. At least one lawsuit has been filed, and a complaint about school officials' handling of sexual assault cases has been made to the U.S. Department of Education.

In a recent review, conducted by Philadelphia law firm Pepper Hamilton, of how Baylor officials have dealt with sexual assault complaints, the football program was faulted for not doing background checks on potential transfers: "Baylor did not consistently follow previously implemented processes regarding criminal background checks, request for records of any prior college disciplinary actions, and character reference screening forms."

The Baylor spokeswoman told Outside the Lines that its reviews of athletes include "pertinent documents from their previous institutions, which should detail any disciplinary actions. Once these records are received, they are used to inform our decisions related to these student-athletes becoming members of Baylor's athletic teams."

Sims said the university's handling of Faulk's departure from the team -- and Grobe's statement to him -- is problematic for the alleged victim and for Faulk, and also shows Baylor still doesn't understand what it's done wrong in recent years.

"To me, that's the whole reason they got in trouble -- either Jeremy's innocent, and they should go through the process, and he should get his scholarship back and play. Or he's guilty, and this girl should get some justice," Sims said.

Grobe could not be reached for comment. The Baylor spokeswoman emailed Outside the Lines on Thursday, saying, "Coach Grobe has a different recollection of the conversation," and "he has made clear that his standards emphasize accountability, integrity and character -- for the entire program."

During a press conference last Friday, Grobe told reporters about his vision for his players: "My main goal right now is to make sure that they do all the good things off the field. They know there's absolute no tolerance policy right now, zero tolerance for misbehavior."

The circumstances of Faulk's departure from the team and school are unclear: Faulk told Outside the Lines that he was initially told he was expelled from the university. Baylor officials would only confirm to Outside the Lines that he is no longer enrolled in school. Faulk provided to Outside the Lines an email from a Baylor academic support official sent Tuesday morning stating that his withdrawal had been finalized, but Faulk said he never asked to withdraw from school.

Despite being a private school, Baylor is required by the federal Title IX statute to investigate allegations of sexual assault and violence thoroughly and to provide security, counseling services and academic help to those who report assaults. Part of the law's goal is to help keep victims in school.

Outside the Lines reviewed Faulk's emails, which showed that the same morning he had received the email telling him his withdrawal from the university was final, he received another from the athletic department compliance office saying there "is not a Title IX report at Baylor" involving him. Faulk responded a few hours later by sending an email requesting a hearing and a chance to defend himself anyway. Only then did the Title IX office send him -- two hours later -- an email stating he'd been named as a respondent in a case and had been accused of violating the school's sexual discrimination, violence and harassment policy. The email provided no further details of an incident.

"No one's given me a reason why I've been released," Faulk said. "If I just leave, it will look like I'm guilty, and I didn't do anything."

While Baylor officials would not address Faulk's situation or say why he's no longer a student, the spokeswoman wrote in an email that any result of a Title IX investigation would be communicated to any school to which a student transfers. "It is inappropriate to allow an accused student to quietly transfer to another institution in order to avoid accountability ... [and] to dismiss and expel an accused student without appropriate process under university policy."

Details about the alleged sexual assault in April are unclear, in part because Baylor University campus police have not yet provided a police report about the incident to Outside the Lines.

Faulk said he returned to campus after Memorial Day for summer classes and practice. He said that on May 31, he was called into an office with assistant football coach Chris Achuff, and other defensive line coaches, and questioned about what happened between him, another player and a female student who had come over to their apartment after a party during the school's Diadeloso celebration in mid-April.

He said coaches told him that the woman reported that she had consensual sex with one of the players but that the sex with the other player was not consensual. Faulk said he told coaches he had consensual sex with her, she left his room, and he never saw her again. The other player was a junior college transfer who had enrolled at Baylor in January and participated in spring practice. Faulk said the player did not return for practice last week, and when Briles was fired, the player wanted to transfer.

Baylor football officials confirmed this week that he was no longer on the team. The Baylor spokeswoman said the player voluntarily left the team and withdrew from the university.

Faulk, who joined the Baylor program in January, said he has never been contacted by any Baylor police officers.

"The coaches told me they know I didn't do anything," Faulk said. "They told me I have nothing to worry about." He said they asked him what happened with the other player and the woman, but Faulk said he didn't know.

Faulk told Outside the Lines that he had exchanged a few text messages with the woman a couple days after the encounter, messages he described as being "random conversation." He said he's trying to retrieve those messages. He provided her name and number to Outside the Lines and said she would corroborate his story.

But when Outside the Lines reached her Thursday, she did not verify his account and instead said that Faulk and the other player "forced me to do things that I didn't want to do against my own consent." She declined to go into any further detail about what happened. She said Faulk texted her a few days later and asked to see her again, and she declined. She said she texted him one more time to inquire about his sexual medical history, and he did not respond.

The woman reported the alleged assault May 5 but told police that she did not want to press charges. She said someone from Baylor's Title IX office contacted her, and she met with someone a few weeks ago, but she didn't want an investigation; she said officials told her they had to do a preliminary investigation regardless. She said she is in counseling but is worried about retaliation and wants to move on.

Faulk said that on June 1 he was called back into the coaches' office, and they presented him with a report they found from Florida Atlantic University, where Faulk played in 2013 and 2014. He said that while he was there, he and a friend got in trouble after they burst open the door to a teammate's room and teased him and his girlfriend -- who were both naked in bed -- and threatened to pull off the sheets. Campus police were called, but no criminal charges were filed. Outside the Lines obtained the police report Thursday; the description of the "suspicious incident" on Nov. 3, 2013, matches Faulk's account.

Sims said Grobe told him during their phone call Saturday that Baylor had to let Faulk go because of the two incidents: "They said two strikes, and he was out."

Faulk said he didn't get much information from Grobe when the Baylor coach called him into his office Friday.

"He was, like, due to all the stuff that's been going on, and Title IX and all that, the school is releasing me," Faulk said. "He didn't say the football team. He said the school is releasing me ... I asked him why, and he just told me it's out of their hands." He said he was then told to meet with the compliance office to get the paperwork that would release him to play at another school.

According to the Baylor spokeswoman, coaches can make independent determinations to remove a player from a team, but that does not mean a student is automatically expelled from the university. "A student's academic enrollment status is determined either by the student or a university student conduct or Title IX process that prevents the student from attendance."

Sims said the school should have told Faulk why he was in trouble and suspended him from the football team -- but allowed him to remain in his summer classes -- while officials conducted an investigation. Then a decision could have been made about the findings, he said.

"Now they won't give him his due process," Sims said. "Baylor is only worried about taking care of Baylor, and they're not worried about the men -- or the women -- in this process."
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ima_drummer2k · Jun 10, 2016

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Everyone already hates Baylor. They could let everyone out but people will still complain about the assistants being there. You all want Baylor to do a self-imposed death penalty (essentially).. There are players that are not leaving and that would give the option to say ef it we're out of here too. Why stop there? Let's give releases to all current players. You all will only be happy if Baylor is buried 6 feet under.
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Poor persecuted Baylor football...

Brando2101 · Jun 10, 2016

DonnyMost said: ↑

http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...eforms-to-clean-up-and-save-college-football/

Great article by Dodd
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If the NCAA denies these appeals then I think there will be a lawsuit to take down the LOIs.

bejezuz · Jun 10, 2016

Wait wait wait, so they're only letting the players who are accused of crimes or wrongdoings be released and play for other teams without consequences? Meanwhile, the innocent recruits twist in the wind? That's really not good.

Brando2101 · Jun 10, 2016

bejezuz said: ↑

Wait wait wait, so they're only letting the players who are accused of crimes or wrongdoings be released and play for other teams without consequences? Meanwhile, the innocent recruits twist in the wind? That's really not good.
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Post of the thread. +1

gucci888 · Jun 10, 2016

Crazy rumor going around that Briles will be reinstated after next season. Note that he has only been suspended with intent to terminate. Read that this arrangement was stipulated in his contract and that BU is using this time to negotiate his buyout. But also a rumor is that Briles will sit this one out without pay and come back next season.

Brando2101 · Jun 10, 2016

gucci888 said: ↑

Crazy rumor going around that Briles will be reinstated after next season. Note that he has only been suspended with intent to terminate. Read that this arrangement was stipulated in his contract and that BU is using this time to negotiate his buyout. But also a rumor is that Briles will sit this one out without pay and come back next season.
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Is the rumor from BaylorFans.Com?

gucci888 · Jun 10, 2016

Brando2101 said: ↑

Is the rumor from BaylorFans.Com?
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Apparently from their rivals forum. Also the mod from 247 has been posting some cryptic tweets about something happening Monday and redemption or some crap like that. Don't think even BU could be this crazy but sure would be fun to watch.

J Sizzle · Jun 10, 2016

gucci888 said: ↑

Crazy rumor going around that Briles will be reinstated after next season. Note that he has only been suspended with intent to terminate. Read that this arrangement was stipulated in his contract and that BU is using this time to negotiate his buyout. But also a rumor is that Briles will sit this one out without pay and come back next season.
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Probably a -100% chance of happening

gucci888 · Jun 11, 2016

J Sizzle said: ↑

Probably a -100% chance of happening
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Agreed which is pretty crazy that some mods seem to be running with it as well.

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