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[Official] Astros at Rangers

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Jun 6, 2016.

  1. Hey Now!

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    How many games did Jim Deshaies pitch for the Cubs?
     
  2. Nick

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    Do you honestly think Springer would have been any different now if he had been called up in May the season where nobody was here? There was a method for their madness then.... That doesn't really apply now.

    Prospects (especially 4 year college guys) have been brought up sooner. Shouldn't simply be looking at Astros-only players as we know they've had alternative reasons for doing what they do (and can't say with any sort of definity as to whether it's worked out or not).

    I'm also guessing the last comparison is either Tyler White or Carlos Gomez as player A... Or is it Jon Singleton?
     
  3. Nick

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    A vast difference... Cubs are a pseudo-national team, as they still get the superstation broadcasts.

    Stanton is serving in the obscure Calvin Murphy role on Root right now... I'd venture to guess most Astros fans would have no idea about his playing career or the fact that he was never an Astro.
     
  4. Hey Now!

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    The question is: would they have promoted George Springer with half the available minor league data. And I believe the answer to that, based on track record, is no.

    I sincerely welcome you finding those that have ~500 PAs, all below AAA.

    Our BFF (and 4-year college senior) Tony Kemp through double AA.
     
  5. TheRealist137

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    I miss JD, got spoiled listening to him growing up.
     
  6. Fyreball

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    I think Hinch is in a tough spot because no matter who he decides to go with, (for the majority of this season, and ESPECIALLY during this series) they never make him look good. When all of your options come in and **** the bed, it's hard to look like a genius. Even something as simple as letting Keuchel pitch in the 8th....most of us agree that was a bad decision, but it's hard to look your ace in the face, especially when he finally seems to have gotten his **** together, and say, "No, you're done." I bet Hinch was just as excited as Keuchel was to finally see a good, quality outing from him, and he wanted him to try and recapture some of the magic from last year. It sucks that it didn't work out, much like most of his decisions this year haven't worked out, but I'd say that's more on the players themselves than on Hinch.
     
  7. Froggychef

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    I agree with you. Being a coach is hard because your success is largely based on your team playing well.
     
  8. The Beard

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    And if he pulled Keuchel and whoever he put in have up a run, half the board would be ripping him for pulling Keuchel, or for his choice of reliever, regardless of who it was
     
  9. Nick

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    Bregman did spend almost the entire Spring with the club... Something Springer did not do in 2013. They have more of a book on him, and again the expectations will be less than Springer.


    Off the top of my head, Rickie Weeks and Xavier Nady... Plus many more back in the good old days.


    Ok... And? Kemp has nowhere near the pedigree and potential career longevity expectations that the higher floor Bregman has, nor does he play a potential area of need (infielder). Plus, he's already been a contributor at the MLB level despite paltry/inconsistent playing time.... Once he further adjusts, has a chance to become a dangerous off the bench weapon.
     
  10. Nick

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    Only on CF have "most of his decisions not worked out"... Because when they do work (more often than not), nobody posts here.

    Last night's decision to keep Keuchel in was a horrible one. It's easy to tell any ace/HOF guy, let alone a guy who's struggled the vast majority of the year likely do to how much he pitched last year, that he's done after he's gone 7 and is over 100 pitches.

    He pressed his *luck*... And lost. If Keuchel would have gotten through the 8th, I suppose it would have further spring-boarded him towards a potential confidence-induced hot streak... but the risk of him faltering was just too damn great, given the score at the time, the opponent, and having almost everybody available in the pen.
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tonight's lineups for Astros vs. Rangers <a href="https://t.co/uPpTHLRKWF">pic.twitter.com/uPpTHLRKWF</a></p>&mdash; Jake Kaplan (@jakemkaplan) <a href="https://twitter.com/jakemkaplan/status/740646359712178176">June 8, 2016</a></blockquote>
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  12. Froggychef

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    Thank god profar isn't playing.is he hurt?
     
  13. The Beard

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    They just have "one too many" guys who are either performing well, or are making "Fielder Money" right now. They said they are gonna try to get him about 4 games a week until one of him, Fielder and Moreland show they should play more, or less

    Not crazy about seeing Gomez in there tonight against Yu, rather see Kemp
     
  14. Nick

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    Moreland kills them just as much... they have much better lineup options.
     
  15. Froggychef

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    Man I wish astros had that problem lol
     
  16. Froggychef

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    I watched darvish last game. He doesn't seem to be to prevent 2014 form yet so maybe thier is hope we will this one
     
  17. Hey Now!

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    Nady and Weeks *are* "the good old days."

    I think it underscores my point - not only were their debuts 16 and 13 years ago - but both were straight to the majors exceptions who, after the briefest of stints (Nady totaled 1 PA; Weeks 14), spent extensive time in the minors (in Nady's case, 1,100+ PAs) before being called back up.

    How about - any Cardinals under Luhnow?...

    a) Kemp *was* an infielder; b) I think you misunderstood: those were Kemp's numbers through the same point of his career as Bregman's (ie the first 500 professional PAs). The point being: Bregman hasn't done anything exceptional (thus far) to merit being what would appear to be a rare exception in the development of players. Thus far, even with pedigree, etc., his career has reached the same peak as ex-collegian, high draft pick Tony Kemp's at the same point in his career.

    (BTW, another relevant comp: four-year college star, top pedigree prospect AJ Reed smashed last year and played an absolute position of need. He didn't even see Fresno, let alone MMP.)

    I think there's almost zero chance Bregman sees meaningful (ie non-September call-up) MLB action this year. I mean - why haven't they moved him to AAA yet? They don't seem to be in any rush with him.
     
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    I was thinking Kemp should have laid down a bunt man. I knew that mofo was going to strike out. Kemp hasn't done enough to even be in the lineup imo. He's not ready.
     
  19. Nick

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    Nah, talking about the 70's and earlier. I also expect most of their super-2 eligible guys (minus Correa) to spend some more time in the minors following their initial promotion.... Bregman included.

    Also, Luhnow didn't decide who got promoted and who didn't in STL... that was Mozeliak. I also don't think they were trotting out lineups with sub .200 hitters in June, when they had expectations of contending.


    Most of your argument is based on how they've done things in the past... but even in the Astros-centric promotion world, there have been exceptions (like the promotion of McCullers). We don't know what the bench-marks are... and we do know that AAA isn't always a must (or if they need a cup of coffee there just to say they went to all levels, so be it).

    Kemp is ultimately filler who may turn out into something special. Bregman has tangible expectations.... and Luhnow has hinted that they would find a place for him, regardless of his "natural" position.
     
  20. Houstunna

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    Much of the young talent isn't ready, Correa included if you judge by his batting spot. Still down for Los, he's good.. just saying McCullers is the best young player right now. Feliz deserves mention.

    Moran, White, and maybe Reed and Kemp are current fails... maybe they need another season. We'll see soon about Bergmen and maybe Musgrove.
     

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