Muslims in Germany demand the right to make the University of Berlin into a mosque

I never stated the onus is on the university. The university does have a right to say no. I never stated otherwise. On the flip side, the Muslim students have a right to protest said decision. Them being Muslim, doesn't exclude their right to protest.

 

Can you link me a source that can back up that assertion? I've read a few different ones:

http://www.yenisafak.com/en/world/t...lin-shuts-down-its-50-year-old-masjid-2432659

The Technical University of Berlin (TU Berlin) announced on Monday that it has shut down its 50-year-old Muslim prayer room. The university also stopped reserving the sports center at the campus for Friday prayers.
Hashem al-Kuhlani, the head of the Yemeni Students' Club, one of the Muslim-based clubs at the university, said that the masjid opened 50 years ago and the sports center had been used for Friday prayers for 20 years.

So ATW, do you think it is OK for the university to threaten to arrest these people if they pray on the university grounds?

 

Name me a relate-able instance where us liberals were being hypocrites... I dare you to.

I've not seen a single liberal fight against PRIVATE religious themed clubs were INDIVIDUALS were allowed of THEIR OWN VOLITION to designate a room if the school allows it to for their meetings and religious services.

Being born and raised in Sugar Land, I've never seen anyone irked by the MSA or Christian clubs meeting after school in a room and doing what ever they do.

Now, starting a prayer in an actual classroom as a class is actually being taught?? **** no.

But of course, you don't have the nuance to differentiate between those two VERY DIFFERENT situations.

 

Would this be an issue if radical preachers and non-University students were not found on campus?

I think I understand ATW's perspective, but the solution isn't to "push" the Muslims off-campus.

I believe the first step would be to ban non-university students from using the facilities. This would go a long way in limiting exposure to extremists. Beyond that, dialogue must be opened up between the University and the MSA in order to prevent the situation from deteriorating again.

Let me be clear, I am not advocating for the University to actively regulate who is an extremist preacher and who isn't. Free speech allows for idiots to talk as well. The onus belongs to the MSA.

Also, if the University doesn't already provide accommodations for ANY other student groups, then it has no responsibility to do so for the religious groups.

 

People really have a very thin line of what constitutes "shoving xxx down one's throat".

I mean, damn, I must of been the poster boy for oppression and having **** shoved down my throat in the military since I was in MANDATORY formations where Christian chaplins formed mass prayers. So... never heard you b****ing about that ATW.


Muslims plraying on the street? Solution? Walk around them? OMG, the sight of Muslims praying is shoving their culture DOWN MY THROAT!!

Again ATW, stop sensationalizing.

 

If they are on the street praying, just light a bunch of stink bombs.



Infringing on the populace is an entitlement issue, pray in your own house, or temple or mosque, not disrupting others.

That is shoving it down the throat of the more enlightened populace.

DD

 

Is this Communist Russia and China where if one is religious they must hide it and only perform their religious activities in secret in their own private house?

Dude, you are becoming more deranged by the day. I bet many of those Muslim students who are praying are about to graduate in a field that you wouldn't dare try to attempt. SO stop with the 'I'm more enlightened than thou' routine.

 

I doubt you would ever create a single article abut Christians shoving their religion down other's throats dude. Let's be honest here. Your thread starting history is enough evidence. Even if you believe 90% of the world's religious persecution is performed by Muslims, you act as if you would actually care enough if you knew before hand of how the U.S. military is obviously inherently biased towards Christianity.

You wouldn't care and you would never post about it.

 

Okay... but that doesn't mean that humans don't have a right to public prayer.

BTW, where do you draw the line? Can a Muslim walking down the street recite a sura as they walk or can a Christian perform street preaching?

 

They can pray all they want, same as any other religion - just not out in the middle of the street or quad, or if it bothers any other citizen by infringing on their right of way, or rights.

I didn't say I was more enlightened than you, but I certainly do not believe in religion at all.


DD

 

I'll be honest. The very moderate Muslims would be requesting the same thing here in the States, except that the vast majority of campuses would oblige along with the requests from other religious entities.

I guess that makes them 'extremist'.

 

Sure they can, they can pray wherever, as long as it does not infringe upon other people who don't believe or follow their path.

No one cares if folks are religious - but they don't get any special privileges because of it.

Isn't the path into heaven enough?

DD

 

How is praying in the quad infringing on anyone's rights?

It seems like a purely aesthetic issue that people are b****ing about...

OMG I CAN ACTUALLY VISUALLY SEE THE RELIGION OF TERROR DEVOTEES PRAYING!!! OMG