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Muslims in Germany demand the right to make the University of Berlin into a mosque

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  1. AroundTheWorld

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    You must not have seen the Google Map I posted. There are tons of mosques within a 10 minute drive.
     
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    Even then, I really don't see the problem with allocating a room for Muslims to pray. Every campus I've been on does it and they do it for other religions also and I've not met one person irked by it.

    Maybe we just live in totally different paradigms. Maybe in German schools they don't have these school clubs that designate a room for them. Totally normal here in the States.
     
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    But are they demanding an entire Mosque like your headline says?
     
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    And how many Churches?
     
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    Maybe in the prayer rooms your universities had there were no extremist hate preachers leading the prayers?

    The imams that were leading the prayers there came from this organization:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizb_ut-Tahrir

    Did you have Imams in the prayer rooms at your schools which came from that organization?
     
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    It is very normal to have prayers rooms on campuses, public and private.
     
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    I'm sorry, what's the relevance here? That extremists have attended universities?
     
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    That publicly funded grounds in a state university are being used by extremists to spread hate propaganda, under the guise of religion being exercised in a prayer room.
     
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    Okay.. So have a prayer room and make sure that extremist imams don't come to the school?

    Those two notions are no mutually exclusive...

    That's assuming your claims about extremist imams at the school are true. You have to understand my reservation to believe you as you are kinda known to make premature accusations.
     
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    And this is happening at the University of Berlin?
     
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    They are, because you would control content of religious activity if you started supervising what is actually said in such a room - and that is much more than a slippery slope. Why would a state university even go through that trouble and where would the resources come from and who would pay for that? The easier solution is to close the room and tell people they can pray individually in private or go their house of worship if they want organized prayer.

    Link is in German, but the Frankfurter Allgemeine is the most reputable newspaper in Germany (and, by the way, also using the headline "The university as a mosque")

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/tu-berlin-die-universitaet-als-moschee-14122316.html

    I guess you can use Google Translate if you really care.
     
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    Actually did my own research and decided not assume the claims of ATW were correct.

    Checked out Google maps. There are MULTIPLE churches directly adjacent and in walking distance to the school for the students who I assume most WALK and not drive.

    In order for a Muslim student to walk to a mosque from campus they would have to cross MULTIPLE major freeways or whatever they call them in Germany(autobahn?).

    For a Muslim to attend a mosque from campus by walking they would have to cross 'highway 100'. ATW, I don't know the proper nomenclature for your highways but it's basically a '100' in a blue hexagon.

    I guess the end all solution here would be to build or rent out a office space adjacent to the campus for a mosque so Muslims students can walk to their place of worship like the devout Christian students.
     
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    Who should pay for that?

    So what? First of all - 99.9 % of nominal Christians certainly wouldn't leave the university to go to a church. At most, the most religious ones would go to church for one hour on a Sunday. That's it. And that is maybe 1 % of them.

    That's not the university's problem. Just like where a church is relative to the university is not the university's problem.
     
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    Who ever wants to or is willing to? To place the onus on the students who have no annual income to finance their own mosque is rather asinine. No Christian student was asked to build their own church so they can go attend their religious services by walking.

    Or the school can just designate a damn prayer room just like every other god damn campus I've ever set foot in.
     
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    Please substantiate this claim.
     
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    Very devout Christians don't attend religious services only once a week buddy. Some go every day.
    They have other things besides Sunday service such as Bible study.
     
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    What onus? How is it in ANY WAY the university's issue where their students want to practice whatever their religion is OUTSIDE the university's premises? The university is not placing any onus on anyone. If anyone wants to pray, they can do it quietly and privately wherever they are. If anyone wants to go to to wherever their next place of worship for whatever their religion is, they can do it. It has nothing to do with the university, and neither should it have anything to do with them.
     
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    I posted the article above. It's in German. You can use Google Translate. If you need help with a translated part, I am willing to assist.
     
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    Shouldn't the illiberals be going nuts about a group of people attempting to impose their religious values on everyone else? Freedom FROM religion?
     
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