Individual voter fraud would be statistically insignificant if it existed at all. Much more common is denied voter rights, tampered voting machines, and gerrymandering. Those are more significant and can occur on scale to effect elections. Individual voter fraud is a red herring to disguise denying voting rights to minorities. (thought about critically)
I'm confused, if there is no voter fraud then why get so worked up about rules that prevent possible voter fraud? Also, Mexico kicks out its illegal immigrants, too.
Because they are designed to limit the voting rights of non-traditional people who may not maintain the more standard identifications. It's sort of like saying everyone can afford a $2 poll tax; some can't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
How is showing an ID going to limit someone's voting rights? This is the worst argument I have heard in some time.
I don't know if it's considered "fraud' as each party could make up any rule they want to on how they chose their candidate.
Typically older senior citizens who don't have driver licenses or younger people who live in a major city that never required them to obtain a license.
Except that in Texas a license is not the only acceptable form of ID, but continue to use strawmen to no avail. A light amount of googling/binging turned this up: And this, in Spanish: http://www.dps.texas.gov/internetforms/forms/DL-14CS.pdf And the cost? Nothing.
I would hope that Obama is applying significant pressure to Mexico as well as his new butt buddy Trudeau to eliminate their voter ID requirements and improve their voting rights!
When you are 80, do you think you know where your 'citizenship id's is? I didn't even know those existed. I was born here so that maybe why. What if you aren't a gun owner? Besides all those forms of ID require an individual to drive to a location which would be difficult for an 80+ year old geriatric who doesn't have a license. The fact that conservatives are trying to solve an issue that doesn't even exist in the first place speaks volumes about agenda and intent. At least in Massachusetts where I'm a resident, I just don't see why anyone would go through so much effort to illegally vote as it requires a great deal of effort as I mentioned in more detail in an earlier post.
Attacking a strawman is easy. If voter fraud at the individual level was an issue, then their would be an issue to fix but there isn't. Thus when conservative politicians urge to 'fix' a problem that doesn't exist, one must ask.... why?
Don't all of those documents require the person to go to a Texas DPS office to apply for those documents? At the same time, is there a large and documented problem of people voting when they shouldn't that would be solved by requiring people to get such documents? Seems we have a relative small percentage of people voting... and thus we should look to making voting easier to do, not harder...
Yes, they would know exactly where their ID's are at, because at age 80 there isn't much for someone to do than to keep track of their ID's. No one is required to drive to the DMV: you could just as easily use a jet pack or a driverless car.
So there's never been a case of voter fraud in the US? lol yeah right pitiful logic that is preventing us from reaching freaking Mexico's level of voter verification!
There has never been a case of mass individual voter fraud that effected an election. I'm quite confident in standing by that statement. In my current state, if you are a registered voter, you appear at the polling station on election day. The pollsters have these giant binders of all our names organized by household. For example, since I'm a college student who is renting an apartment with three other roommates, all our names are together under the our address. So actually I can tell if my roommates already voted because there will be a signature next to a name that already voted. So, if someone wanted to commit voter fraud. 1. They would need to know someone who is a registered voter and their address because if they just show up not knowing this what are they going to tell the pollster lady? "Umm, ya, can you just find an empty slot that hasn't voted yet? That's me. I promise..."??? 2. Then they would need to stalk that individual that they know is a registered voter and make sure they haven't voted yet on that day because it would be quite the awkward moment when they show up and they state the name they are trying to impersonate, and then the lady goes to that name and address and sees that that individual has already voted. Now, who would go THROUGH ALL THAT TROUBLE for one vote? I guess someone who really takes the "Every vote matters" mantra to heart but at that point, why not just register? You think some illegal lawn mowing Mexican immigrant really cares to vote THAT much? These scenarios are just too implausible and not prevalent enough to the point where we need to question the motive of those politicians who believe that voter I.Ds are a must because of some hypothetical outlandish scenario.
If there were any individual instances of someone legal to vote not being able to vote due to not having any ID it would be statistically insignificant if it existed at all. There's no valid reason to not require ID to vote when you'd require it to do just about anything else in society. Cash a check? Let me see ID. Buy some booze? Let me see ID. Want to buy some cigarettes? Let me see ID. Want to create a checking account? Let me see ID. Want to pick up your own children from school? Show me your ID. Show up to jury duty? Let me see ID. Want to buy a gun? Show me your ID. Want to join the military? Show me your ID. Want to take part in the most important part of democracy? I'll just take your word for it. It's completely ridiculous.
With absentee ballots, you don't have to leave your home. Im not sure why I want to defend lazy sobs who can't even do that on a presidential year, let alone midseason, There's a big reason you feel disenfranchised and rigged. Truth is that people want easy answers and won't give 2 seconds to think of how to improve the situation individually.
