TLDR: There aren't any teams that elevate the value of the conference so we wan't to wait until 2025 and see who we can shake loose and there is no problem facing the conference that they have to fix. -I would guess that they would target the ACC but that is almost 10 years away. -I imagine this changes considerable if they are left out of the playoffs next year and/or the year after
Lots of good info: -Current TV contract automatically increases payout to schools to compensate for adding teams so current big 12 schools would not lose money -The ACC deal is really going to be the TV model of the future using forms of new media that don't rely on cable subscriptions. http://www.campusrush.com/big-12-meetings-preview-expansion-conference-championship-1834486858.html I have to admit that the classification of OU's Boren being the big 12's Donald Trump was pretty funny.
Dennis Dodd @dennisdoddcbs 21h21 hours ago http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...uld-earn-an-additional-1-billion-by-expanding _______________ Pete Thamel http://www.campusrush.com/big-12-meetings-preview-expansion-conference-championship-1834486858.html ______________ Red McCombs http://www.fox26houston.com/sports/151919163-story ________________ I find Perrin's "we're in Houston" comment to be really telling. UT is looking at the LHN as if it is the Big 12 network. "We're" in Houston is not taking into account the profile or health of the rest of the Big 12. Yes, UT is in Houston. It has been and always will be, but the Big 12's presence in Houston is subject to change. It would behoove him to start thinking about advancing his conference as well.
Perrin, and any other AD, doesn't owe duty to anyone other than their own. Did we say the same when OU was flirting with the PAC 12 or when A&M and Nebraska bounced? Nope, they were looking out for their own just like any other AD would. Does it behoove UH to think about the AAC if offered by a P5? Absolutely not.
Mr. McCombs is a great guy, but now that Jamail's gone he's kind of looked at in UT circles as the rich old crazy uncle emeritus of boosters.
Boren: "We are concerned with revenue unbalances with other conferences. ... That's the first thing we have to look at." Boren: "We're going to have to sort through all possible strategies, not just one strategy or a network strategy." David Boren said his biggest concern is staying competitive with other conferences. He said expansion is one method, but not the only one Boren on #Big12 expansion: "I'm trying to keep an open mind and I think that's the spirit of the board." David Boren said the Big 12 is in a position of strength. Said they aren't in a position of crisis when it comes to expansion Boren: Oklahoma’s official policy on expansion is, “We’re waiting” (to see what financial possibilities are). Boren on potential Big 12 changes: “I’d rather be right than hasty.” Boren: “We don’t have to be dollar for dollar or penny for penny w/ what somebody else is making but we have to be in the neighborhood Boren: We have stability … There are strong people out there that want to join this conference. Boren: Other Power 5 schools aren’t candidates for Big 12 expansion. “We have to be realistic about the schools that are available." Boren: “We want to make sure expansion candidates “are not dilutive” to the Big 12 athletically, academically, fan base, media markets, etc. <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Informal media poll conducted by Houston Chronicle on likely non-P5 additions if Big 12 expands by 2 schools <a href="https://t.co/S1fIAI96mX">pic.twitter.com/S1fIAI96mX</a></p>— Joseph Duarte (@Joseph_Duarte) <a href="https://twitter.com/Joseph_Duarte/status/738502802800967680">June 2, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
WTF? Cinci and BYU got 13 of 15 votes and finished in a 3 way tie for 2nd? Who was the other 2nd place team, and who was 1st?
Oh. Derp. My bad. That poll shows a serious lack of consensus. Supposedly the 3 yes votes were UT, Tech, and TCU based.
It's going to be BYU and Cinni, in my opinion. They view themselves as some uppity group. They want to add teams that they feel are as uppity as they are: houston and Memphis don't fit that bill. Even though memphis has a huge market and one of the top 10 companies in america ready to sponsor the league. It is idiotic that they won't give memphis the time of day considering all of that, but like I said they think they are smarter than everone in the room, even though fred smith could buy the longhorn network with his pocket change. lol
This headline is EXTREMELY misleading. It refers to a stipulation (which I was not aware of until I posted the article a few posts above) that requires espn/fox to pay the big 12 more money to accommodate more teams who would be more pieces to the pie so big 12 teams do not lose money by adding new teams. That is not increased value. It's preventing the payments per school from going down because they are adding teams and it will cost the networks around 50 million a year right out of the gate. They do not know the extent of added value that they could hold the networks out for more money with any of the teams they discusses. I'm sure everyone is aware about the potential structure change but just in case: -The big 12 currently has a round robin schedule where every team plays every other team. That amounts to 9 conference games and 3 non-conferece games. -Adding two teams reverts the conference back to the previous structure. Two divisions of 6. A team will play the other 5 teams in their conference every year and half of the teams from the other conference. That means Kansas, Kansas ST, Iowa St, West Virginia and two new teams would only play Texas, Ou, Ok St, Baylor, TCU and TT every other year and would host those teams once every four years. That amounts to 10 conference games and 4 non-conference games Here are the negatives for the networks with expansion: -Immediately subtract $50,000 a year from the bottom line due to just adding two teams -Lose 10 total conference games due to move to 8 game conference schedule. Since networks only get to air a game if the home team is in their conference, the networks would lose 5 games a year (averaging out the home-home cycle). However, it is possible that big 12 teams only schedule this extra non conference game as a home game but the tradeoff would be that only ****ty schools desperate for money would agree to a 1 time visit instead of a home-home. That matchup would likely not be more of a draw than a conference game especially for teams in the big 12 north. Every team in the new big 12 north would be replacing either OU or Texas on their schedule with a non conference opponent of their choosing. (It's possible a north team plays both UT and OU in a year but then they wouldn't play either the next year.) It's certainly possible that teams used these chances to schedule high profile teams from other conferences but not as likely. Pros: -New Markets to expose the conference to which increases revenue. This is highly dependent on if the team truly brings a new market with them that has a state wide reach. The University of Utah owns the Salt Lake market and much of the state. Ohio St and Michigan rule Ohio and much of Cincinnati. UCONN has a presence in New York City but likely not as much as Rutgers but I don't know for sure. There does not appear to be a school that brings with them a healthy statewide market. The giant elephant in the room here is that all of the sports deals are based on a dying cable subscription model. ESPN and FOX will not want to start dishing out an extra 50 million a year when they are hemorrhaging subscribers. The total amount of ESPN subscribers has not been this low since 2001. The networks won't prefer expansion until they get the new ACC network in place which is based on a much more modern, new media platform that reflects where the audience is going and not where they were 5 years ago. That'll likely be the base for the future tv model for every conference. I wouldn't be surprised to see companies like Netflix, Hulu or Youtube partnering with the big networks for further distribution. A media consulting firm will present their opinions on how the league finances can improved upon when dealing with the networks tomorrow. May 31st Article detailing most recent ESPN subscriber loss: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/espn-continues-lose-subscribers-alarming-174745320.html Spoiler My My My. So many posters here kept this thread alive by posting all the crap Boren has been spewing over the last year and it was all B.S. He's completely flipped which isn't surprising given his background. Talk first and think second.
There is NO crisis. Uncertainty beyond 2025? Sure but no one knows what that will be like because it's 9 years away and lots can change in sports and media in that time.. There is no crisis right now. Making too much money per school and being passed up a bit by 2-3 other conferences that are also making too much money is not a crisis. Teams have gone from 6 million a year payouts to 25. There is 0 need to do anything. If they are left out of the playoffs for the next 2 years then that is a crisis.
OT: That ESPN graphic is encouraging. If/when they begin offering ESPN online as a stand alone product from cable subscriptions, it could be the breaking point for cable. Live sports (particularly ESPN) is what still tethers so many people to cable. That will be a glorious day.
This. No one thought HBO could break away from cable but they did. Sports is the next huge domino to fall.
Big 12 payouts to teams increases by 6 million to 30 million a year per team. Championship game to comeback in 2017 season and a move to divisions is likely. http://www.hookem.com/2016/06/03/big-12-football-title-game-will-resume-2017/ A 60 milion dollar bump should quiet any notions of "crisis" teams would obviously play their 4 division mates every year but the question of how many of the other 5 teams they will play. This also opens up the ability for Texas to add A&M into their schedule assuming they regain that 4th non conference game that everyone else has.
The only way the game makes sense is moving to divisional play so glad (hopefully) they will get that part right.
