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Trump 2016: Yes. We. Can.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Honey Bear, Aug 5, 2015.

  1. Tom Bombadillo

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    This is great stuff guys.
     
  2. bigtexxx

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    You are making assumptions and filling in gaps in facts with what you WISH is true. This is a classic logic fault. It's lazy thinking. Go read the book "Thinking, Fast and Slow" by Daniel Kahneman. You'll learn to get all the facts, and not embarrass yourself by lazily filling in gaps with what you wish to be true, and then having somebody (me) call you out for it.
     
  3. fchowd0311

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    Texxx answer my question.

    Tell me explicitly where my premise or conclusion and the line drawn between the two is invalid.

    Trump states that thousands upon thousands of Muslims in Jersey City were celebrating 9/11 the day of.

    Therefore a Trump supporter who lives in Jersey would obviously find his claim credible as he is a Trump supporter. Since there are only 'thousands upon thousands' of Muslim TOTAL that live in Jersey City, a Trump supporter would rationally come to the conclusion that at the very least MOST Muslims in Jersey City are terrorist sympathizers and lovers(if they are willing to CELEBRATE a terrorist attack).
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    texxx can sit there and deny he's Trump supporter all day long. Meanwhile we see him supporting Trump on these boards time and time again, so it doesn't matter what he claims.
     
  5. body slam

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    the picture and quote that you posted #4705 says people not muslims
     
  6. NewRoxFan

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    And here comes bigtexx's usual last resort... when he is clearly shown to be wrong, he tries to to completely avoid direct questions and throws out disconnected criticisms about logic, assumptions, and other babble.

    He clearly was given the opportunity to comment on Trump's litany of offensive statements, in doing so, clarify his own beliefs, and last, answer the question as to whether he supports the candidate for our nation's highest office. Instead, he dodges.
     
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  7. NewRoxFan

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    While Trump may not be the conservatives first choice... they will vote for him come November, principles be damned. They will throw out the same excuses as elections past ("lesser of two evil", he really isn't that bad", etc), but when all is said and done, they will pull the lever next to Trump's name.

    Party before country...
     
  8. bigtexxx

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    hahaha! Look at you try to be dismissive, yet ignore substance. I effectively called you out for exaggerating and stretching the words that were said. Trump didn't call all Mexicans rapists and criminals, as you suggest. Now you're trying to backpedal and hope your liberal pile-on crew shows up to try to help defend yourself.
     
  9. FranchiseBlade

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    Trump did claim that a Federal judge born in Indiana couldn't do his job because of his Mexican heritage. Do you agree with that? That statement is the very definition of bigotry.

    Then of course there is the whole list of Trump quotes showing bigotry already provided here.

    But since you are a Trump supporter, I understand why you may not want to comment on them.
     
  10. Bandwagoner

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    Bobby already said he won't vote for Trump. Neocons are desperate for a third party. I think they will vote for Clinton and you are grasping at straws here. You remind me of the Bernie people beating up everyone in San Jose only to find out they just beat up their own. If your line of thinking is correct, Trump will easily win.
     
  11. Bandwagoner

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    It's more of an accusation of bigotry.
     
  12. FranchiseBlade

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    Claiming that someone can't do their job because of their heritage is indeed bigotry.

    Claiming the judge is horrible because he cheated in law school or some other reason isn't bigotry.

    Of course we can delve even deeper into Trump's statement and ask if he wasn't bigoted, why would he think someone of Mexican heritage would biased against him? So Trump certainly believes that people of Mexican Heritage have reason to be against him.

    But even without that, claiming a person's heritage makes them unable to not perform their job makes them bigoted against people of that heritage.
     
  13. fchowd0311

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    Yes, because a Trump supporter is going to come to a conclusion that people in the streets of Jersey City celebrating 9/11 the day of were Catholic school girls. Are you playing an idiot or do you believe me to be one or are you an actual idiot?
     
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  14. StupidMoniker

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    I am not a Trump fan and don't plan to vote for him. Having said that, if the next POTUS is either Trump or Clinton, I hope Trump wins. I don't support the party over the country, I think Trump will govern the country closer to the way I would like than Clinton would. Why would someone support a political party if they did not agree that said party is better for the country?
     
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    Actually bigotry is defined as intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself. Trump is accusing the judge of bias.
     
  16. fchowd0311

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    Trump caught himself in a catch 22 with the Latino judge.

    He explictly states millions of times that the Latinos LOVE him.

    Yet, he believes it's not fair for a Latino to judge him because they might have a negative bias towards him.

    How does he live with such blatant cognitive dissonance? Or better yet, how do his supporters?
     
  17. Bandwagoner

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    So any complaints of all white juries will get the same complaints from you? I doubt it. It is an accusation of the judge.
     
  18. fchowd0311

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    A more similar analogy would be if a blatant racist such as Mark Fuhrman were on trial for murder, an all Black jury would be biased against Fuhrman.

    It still means Furhman is a racist *******.
     
  19. Bandwagoner

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    Except Trump claims to be basing this on several continued unfavorable rulings the Mexican-American judge has made against him according to his lawyers where a claim against an all black jury is just based on their skin color.
     
  20. fchowd0311

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    The key phrase there is "Trump claims...".
     
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