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Former Astros Tracking Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by torque, Apr 4, 2016.

  1. vince

    vince Member

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    Villar was given the keys to the SS several times, and was a knuckle head. He'd stretch singles into easy outs at second. His response was always, this is how I play. Good for him playing well in the majors. If we didn't have Correa and Bregman, we'd be very ticked he was let go for so little. But, it's about time Villar started playing well, even if it's for another team.
     
  2. Buck Turgidson

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    I knew he had serious talent, nice to see him putting it together. If we didn't have Marwin, Villar would still be on this team.
     
  3. sealclubber1016

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    Villar's BABIP is .421, even with his awesome speed that's an unsustainably high number. He's also been thrown out on the basepaths 12 times, so he's still making some dumb decisions.

    Having said that, his walk rate has skyrocketed and his fld% is way up as well. With his physical gifts, if he can walk and be relatively sure handed he's gonna be a solid MLB starter. I highly doubt he can maintain an average close to what it is now though.
     
  4. Hey Now!

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    Or, as the Astros call them, "Decisions."
     
  5. CometsWin

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    Robbie Grossman w/Twins
    .359/.457/.667 7 walks/7 k's in 39 AB's


    Brett Wallace w/Padres
    .217/.376/.377

    Saw him hitting cleanup for the Pads. That's how bad they are, wow.
     
  6. Snake Diggit

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    Wallace's BABIP is about where it should be so he's not getting lucky. His walk rate has taken a huge jump up; hard to say if that is sustainable, but if he can get on base 38% of the time, he will play in the majors for a long time.

    Grossman has been lucky with the Twins so far; he may end up being a decent 4th OF or even have a few years as a fringe regular, but I doubt he will be another JD Martinez.
     
  7. Snake Diggit

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    Former stros in majors that have put up positive WAR:

    C Carlos Perez 0.1 WAR
    1B Steve Pearce 1.5 WAR, Chris Carter 0.4 WAR, Chris Johnson 0.1 WAR
    2B Jed Lowrie 0.4 WAR
    SS Jon Villar 1.4 WAR, Ronald Torreyes 0.1 WAR
    3B Brett Wallace 0.3 WAR
    OF Hunter Pence 1.4 WAR, Carlos Beltran 0.4 WAR, Michael Bourn 0.4 WAR, Delino DeShields 0.3 WAr, Robbie Grossman 0.7, Kike Hernandez 0.5
    SP Vincent Velasquez 1.2 WAR, JA Happ 0.9, Scott Kazmir 0.3, Mike Fomtynewicz 0.1, Jordan Lyles 0.1
    RP Fernando Abad 0.4 WAR, Zach Duke 0.4 WAR, Xavier Cedeno 0.5, Fernando Rodriguez 0.4, Oliver Perez 0.4, Bud Norris 0.1

    Interestingly JD Martinez has been replacement level (0.0 WaR) so far this season.
     
  8. Rileydog

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    Grossman is hitting cleanup only bc Sano is on DL.
     
  9. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Where did you get your data? Lyles has a -0.8 WAR.
    5 games pitched:

    3.1 innings, 5 ER
    4.2 innings, 5 ER
    7.0 innings, 0 ER
    2.2 innings, 5 ER
    2.1 innings, 4 ER

    Overall 8.55 ERA, 2.05 WHIP

    Also, Deshields has been in the minors most of the past month and his WAR is -0.3. Norris is at -0.4.
     
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  10. Snake Diggit

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    I'm using Fangraphs, you're probably looking at Baseball Reference
     
  11. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Grossman is not hitting clean up and hasn't all year. Although, in his small sample size, there would be nothing statistically wrong with him hitting 4th.
     
  12. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Considering the overall stats of Lyles, Norris and Deshields, I'd tend to side with Baseball-Reference.
     
  13. Snake Diggit

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  14. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Do you really think Lyles is a positive WAR player this year?
     
  15. Snake Diggit

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    I don't care. It's a nit that doesn't really detract from my overall point.
     
  16. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    What was your overall point? You showed ex-Astros that had a positive WAR. Lyles, Deshields and Norris (and perhaps others) having a negative WAR certainly detracts from your point. And, if you want to argue one site's WAR vs. another's then Lyles' stats certainly come into play. He is clearly not a positive WAR player. Deshields being in the minors with a major league slash line of .217/.294/.302/.596 is clearly not a positive WAR player.
     
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  17. Nook

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    Really at this point the Astros haven't lost much.

    JD Martinez obviously has been a huge loss the last two seasons, but this season he has been above average but nothing great with an OPS of less than .800.

    Jacob Nottingham has an OPS of 650 in AA.

    Mark Appel has an era of 4.50 in AAA with a high WHIP.

    Vincent Velasquez has slowed down, his era is at 3.7 and he is averaging only 5.2 innings a start
     
  18. Rockets12

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    Hader and Mengden have been amazing. Eshelman and Villar have done well
     
  19. Prize Closet

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    Brett Phillips striking out a ton
     
  20. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    VV had a 6-0 lead after 4. Couldn't get through the 5th to qualify for the win.
     

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